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Old Dec 10th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #511
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I know it's like watching a terrible wreck, you know you shouldn't watch but sometimes you just can't help yourself.
I think most ppl would agree that your posts in this thread are the least constructive and most useless by far. just saying.
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Old Dec 10th, 2012, 06:09 AM   #513
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A very convenient term to use as a weapon and/or a shield to blather out instead of using their brains to argue a point. Always alright for a minority to hurl out racist abuse at a majority for some strange reason. Even though I am in a minority I have always stayed clear of taking this shortcut,always a better reason to have a scrap
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Prejudices don't have to be negative. Remember your discussion with LBV about genetics, it's a proof that you do have/had some of them. And the way you came here with a random accusation and the whole "You are all making excuses for yourselves, look at me, I'm so opened minded!", well, sorry, it was arrogant, because we were having an honest, civil conversation here (if it was only about ridiculous insults, I'd never participated). The lack of communication is the reason why prejudices still exist, don't you think? And if you don't want to hear the other side of the story, that's a definition of closed minded.
Well I really think that genetics discussion was a huge misunderstanding, it is never easy to discuss such an issue and sciences in a foreign language. The DNA is different for us all. Facts showed that the skin was getting stronger to the sun in different regions. So I was mainly wondering about it. I agree the sports stuff was really ignorant, and I quickly apologized about it. It is not like I thought it was a huge factor. Social conditions play a huge role and I didn't even think of it so yes I was being super ignorant. But I never claimed it as the truth.

I am sorry for saying that, I didn't mean to offend you. I know you are not racist. It is just that most of people who makes that assessement just refuse to admit they are prejudiced in a bad way. You know, the communication is truly important, and sorry but you are being unfair by saying my post might have been close minded. I am always posting in that kind of threads, I apologized a few times, and I am trying to keep my mind open. I am even answering you because you are spot on a few things, I just think there is a misunderstanding.

wildrivers I apologize for talking to you like that. That was uncalled for. But I still believe that your sentence, in the grand scheme of things, are often used as an excuse to justify racism. Not you so I am apologizing.


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Well, saying that mixing is amazing is sorta weird. It's a given thing. It's not more or less amazing than not mixing. You date a person, not his or her skin color. And how did the post about it come here? Did anyone assume that mixing is wrong, that we should all date within our race? I don't recall reading anything similar.
Well when I said "amazing", it was pure shallowness. Lol. That goes back to what Sammo and Novichok were arguing. I don't think having a type based on the colour of skin is necessarily racist. That includes a few factors. It is like my friend whose girls type is blondes with fair skin.
It has nothing to do with the person. It was just pure shallowness. Ultimately, you know I would not date a jerk, nevermind he is GOAT looking or something now that would be prejudiced to date a guy only based on his origins, and none for his personality.
Sorry, I totally understand why you were uncomfortable with my post, hopefully that cleared up things. I originally made this post because I have been asked why something. (too lazy to look up the post). And the whole multiculturalism thing, that's just because I like it. I think that helps to deal with difference in fact.


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Yeah true. You are totally right about dogma. I don't mind people who have their own beliefs but it is getting problematic when those beliefs can have a big influence on your principles. But then it can be a philosophical debate ; how do we know abortion is good or evil? And blablah...
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Peanut Butter And Jelly Racist? Portland School Principal Ties Sandwich To White Privilege

By Katherine Bindley | 09/12/2012 6:53 pm



A lunchtime staple of students for years, the peanut butter and jelly sandwich could be considered one of the more popular items found in the sack lunches of school children.

But in conjunction with recent equity training in local Portland schools, one principal is raising questions about the mention of the sandwich, arguing it has broader implications about race, the Portland Tribune reports.

The sandwich was reportedly mentioned in a lesson plan last year. Verenice Gutierrez from the Harvey Scott K-8 School used it as an example of a subtle form of racism in language, according to the report.

“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” Gutierrez said, according to the Tribune. “Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”

As part of a training program known as "Courageous Conversations" that has been phased into Portland schools in recent years, the Tribune reports that staff members at Gutierrez's school have been going through trainings, classroom observations and exercises, such as reading a news article and then talking about it from the perspective of “white privilege."

The organization behind the program is Pacific Educational Group. According to the group's website, their aim is to help minority students through initiatives that address racial educational disparities, "intentionally, explicitly, and comprehensively."

Continued @ Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1874905.html)


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WTF?! Hispanic do eat peanut butter and jelly sanwiches. Children love their jelly.
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Well I really think that genetics discussion was a huge misunderstanding, it is never easy to discuss such an issue and sciences in a foreign language. The DNA is different for us all. Facts showed that the skin was getting stronger to the sun in different regions. So I was mainly wondering about it. I agree the sports stuff was really ignorant, and I quickly apologized about it. It is not like I thought it was a huge factor. Social conditions play a huge role and I didn't even think of it so yes I was being super ignorant. But I never claimed it as the truth.

I am sorry for saying that, I didn't mean to offend you. I know you are not racist. It is just that most of people who makes that assessement just refuse to admit they are prejudiced in a bad way. You know, the communication is truly important, and sorry but you are being unfair by saying my post might have been close minded. I am always posting in that kind of threads, I apologized a few times, and I am trying to keep my mind open. I am even answering you because you are spot on a few things, I just think there is a misunderstanding.

wildrivers I apologize for talking to you like that. That was uncalled for. But I still believe that your sentence, in the grand scheme of things, are often used as an excuse to justify racism. Not you so I am apologizing.




Well when I said "amazing", it was pure shallowness. Lol. That goes back to what Sammo and Novichok were arguing. I don't think having a type based on the colour of skin is necessarily racist. That includes a few factors. It is like my friend whose girls type is blondes with fair skin.
It has nothing to do with the person. It was just pure shallowness. Ultimately, you know I would not date a jerk, nevermind he is GOAT looking or something now that would be prejudiced to date a guy only based on his origins, and none for his personality.
Sorry, I totally understand why you were uncomfortable with my post, hopefully that cleared up things. I originally made this post because I have been asked why something. (too lazy to look up the post). And the whole multiculturalism thing, that's just because I like it. I think that helps to deal with difference in fact.




Yeah true. You are totally right about dogma. I don't mind people who have their own beliefs but it is getting problematic when those beliefs can have a big influence on your principles. But then it can be a philosophical debate ; how do we know abortion is good or evil? And blablah...
ahh no worries. sorry about any misunderstanding.
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The sandwich was reportedly mentioned in a lesson plan last year. Verenice Gutierrez from the Harvey Scott K-8 School used it as an example of a subtle form of racism in language, according to the report.

“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” Gutierrez said, according to the Tribune. “Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”
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Police Criticized For Firing 137 Shots In Car Chase

December 11, 2012

Some Cleveland residents are calling for a federal investigation following a lengthy car chase that ended badly. Police fired more than 100 rounds at a stopped car, killing the driver and passenger. Some in the community are troubled by what they say are racial overtones in the case.

http://www.npr.org/2012/12/11/167000...s-in-car-chase

(More plus audio story in link)

Given what happened in a (later derailed) thread about the Trayvon Martin killing, I won't start one about this Amadou Diallo (Bronx 1999) style likely execution, with 30 police cars cornering the vehicle of the 2 (unarmed) young ppl killed @ the end, and a reported 137 shots fired @ the kids. Anyone who wants is welcome to, of course.
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