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#1 · (Edited)
To keep the other threads more organized and easier to read, if you want to vent out your frustration, please do it here. :angel:

A few previous posts to get this thread started :p

On David Kotyza, Petra's coach

could you please be honest for just once? no pressure? LMAO, tired of every time you say this Mr Useless
On CT4 they showed bits from Petra's practice with Kotyza. oh my gosh, he's so bad. misses service box, Petra hits moonbals and he says to her that she hits great:tape:
Huggybear can hang around as museum guide, bag carrier & cook etc plus phone-a-friend-companion but fresh advising/coaching/guiding/technical talent needs to be brought into the kvitty camp before time runs out
We need a coach that won't tolerate Petra's fuckeries any longer.
Fire Kotyza now.
On Kotyza & Ivanko, the fitness coach:

:fiery: Kotyza & Ivanko far too relaxed for my liking – almost appear to be on vacation – This poor girl is defending a Grand Slam! – For goodness sake these two clowns should get their act together!:mad:
And, of course, on Miroslav Černošek, Petra's likeable manager:

The way I see it, Csernosek is not far from a gangster
What a small minded huckster idiot.
He's the Czech Jerry Jones.
He sounds like a Freakin Mafia Boss
He's such a hypocrite.
What a greedy, spineless, self absorbed slob.
he's a MONEY, CONTROL, CRONYISM expert
the guys is so arrogant
But he's also a paranoid numbnut
He's eminently expendable.
If nothing else, Cernosek is like a Czech Monopoly/Mafia.
He's easily avoidable, ignored or replaceable. He just is.
Originally Posted by Rix643
Kvitova on the other hand... Really, I searched a lot, and all I could find on her was the Czech agency "Česká sportovní".

Which is run by this two-bit huckster:

Mofo has his fingers everywhere.
 
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#54 ·
It's important for folks to gain inspiration from seeing the genius of the Petra Team in action.......like watching one of them struggle to walk UP the down escalator at the local department store for around 10 minutes...until a security guard arrives and informs the brilliant one that he's going the wrong way;)
 
#55 ·
Earlier,I was concerned that Petra might overplay herself to exhaustion again while leading up to the USO,but it turns out that I was overreacting because Cermosek has two of his TOP men planning Petra's tourney schedule and travel itinerary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnkefjCES-4

Now I realize how unfounded my fears were;with THOSE two guys in charge,there's NOTHING to worry about:D
 
#56 ·
After hearing the surprising news that Petra's physio is highly-respected,we now know that she has a renowned linguistics pro on her team as well.Personally,I don't care if Petra:hearts: NEVER wants to speak English,but Cermosek would like to increase her endorsement earning potential,so he hired this elite pro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgXB9GbIeWM

Petra will be talking like a native speaker in almost NO TIME FLAT!:D
 
#57 ·
Some of you fans are worrying about the absence of Petra's fitness coach as a sign of a poorly-run team,but Cermosek has put his son,Milos Junior,on the case...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XvxDaIwCw

....To make sure that everything works like a perfectly-oiled machine:yeah:
 
#58 ·
....And here's another rebuke for all of you cynics who claim that Cermosek only hires stooges and yes-men to run Petra's team.What an impeccable chain-of-command this is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0

Kind of surprising,though,cuz I'd thought that Cermosek was a little bit taller:p
 
#59 ·
After yet ANOTHER in a series of attempted Cermosek/Prostejov/ATP blow jobs;) in the main tourney forum today, it's time for another close look at how well Petra's team is,or isn't, managing things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ZgVRJ-H8U

Yep!The same high level of professionalism as always:yeah:
 
#61 ·
Eh

We can talk about Petra, her team, the past few years, and the "woulda, coulda, shoulda's", a few days after the match.

Now let's enjoy Petra's victory/dominance, and let it sink in and/or celebrates.

Petra and many of us have been through a lot the past 2 1/2 years.

Let's leave the overt, immediate speculation (of Petra's future) to some on GM

Congrats Petra Kvitova!! :worship:
 
#64 ·
It doesn't even really matter, if Cersonek/Prostojev really gets a reported 30% of her income/revenues. :eek:

If that's true, that's absolute highway robbery. :help:

Managing her money (I doubt it/hope not) would only add injury to insult.

Petra could leave him tomorrow (especially if she went outside the Czech Republic), and find a better agent and/or manager who would only take 5% of her tennis earnings, and a larger stake (25 up to 50% that they bring in) of her endorsement, outside income. However, we know that's not going to happen.

Czech nationalism/pride, Comrades aside; her arrangement (if true) is an absolute joke/travesty!! :tape:

But hey. It's Petra's life. So she can do as she pleases/what makes her happy. :lol: :angel: :lol:
 
#65 ·
I wonder if Petra's endorsements surpass her on-court winnings.
 
#69 ·
We must remember, tennis is not a team sport.

So, you really don't need an agent for your tennis related income. It's mostly prize money. So you're not negotiating contracts (and even then, some team sport players do it themselves, and/or give the duty to friends or family members).

Yes, there are some tournaments and arrangements with the WTA you could argue you need an agent for (appearance fees, which tournaments you play through the year, etc.), thus you pay them the 5% overall as they do in team sports to handle this for you. Of course endorsements and other income is another manner.

However, what Cersonek is reportedly getting for her tennis income is highway robbery, as Petra could have repaid him for whatever he allegedly did for her from age 16 onward (mind you, Petra has already repaid him in bundles with income and publicity for his club), and find some else much better for much cheaper. :eek: To make it worse: it's not like he's balancing it with outrageous outside opportunities (or effort), as he was complaining about this recently as if he didn't care, wasn't' trying.

Did not read Forbes. But if it's the Bouchard article after the finals, I couldn't care less. Secondly, most of the writers will have no idea what's Petra's relationship with her mostly Czech and Eastern European related endorsements. However, related to her prize money earnings, I'm sure Petra does fine there. And if Bouchard flops, she'll earn nothing. Jury still out on her (which is another reason these things are written from an American point of view, with out even knowing tennis).

Ironically, it appears when Petra won Wimby 2011, the press (and subsequently endorsers) were well set to make Petra the new tennis Queen. But unfortunately, Petra wasn't ready/didn't want to, thus disappointing many of her fans and the press, so they moved on.

Now they appear cautious (as us), and rightfully so.

We'll see what happens, starting with Stanford?? :angel:
 
#70 ·
Petra needs an English speaking endorsement agent (the more people speaking English on her team, the better; also, there should be more specialists available). Cernosek is a small crooked fish in a big pond; his portfolio consists of various sportsmen and events, yet he's very local. His endorsements are not worthy on the ROI basis + she spends too much time on Cernosek's events. The best thing that can happen is Cernosek going to jail for the alleged frauds.

I think the author of the article suggested by both me and vendulkabendulka has a great deal of understanding.


Ironically, it appears when Petra won Wimby 2011, the press (and subsequently endorsers) were well set to make Petra the new tennis Queen. But unfortunately, Petra wasn't ready/didn't want to, thus disappointing many of her fans and the press, so they moved on.

Now they appear cautious (as us), and rightfully so.
True.
 
#72 ·
Don't worry, he's like her second dad. ;) :lol:

But it looks like this is the true reason why she decided not to play in Stanford, so that Huggy-Bear could attend his honeymoon and wouldn't miss her 1st tournament after Wimby. It's the better solution that if she would go playing there alone, though. :rolleyes: :cool:
 
#76 ·
I think it was a win-win situation for both of them. There's no way she would have played all four tournaments in a row anyways.
I don't see why not, for she played Carlsbad, Toronto, Cincinnati and New Haven last year. Same would've held true this year, if it weren't for David's impending marriage. Too bad, though for fans, for the draw in Stanford this year is highly competitive. Would've loved to have seen her with the Sisters, Vika, Sabine, Sam', Aggie and the rest. Top-notch draw with Petra in the mix, remains so still, but better with the gifted one.

http://www.wtatennis.com/players/player/13403/title/petra-kvitova
 
#78 ·
But that's an insane schedule for a player looking to go deep in NY. Virtually no other Top 10 player plays that much, that's a schedule for a player that dosen't expect to go deep in every tournament..which should be her mindset now.

Uh....no. Not only did Petra as a top-10er play 4 USOS tourneys last year prior to the USO, but so did Aggie, participating in Stanford, Carlsbad, Toronto and Cincinnati. I don't remember whether Cibulkova was a top-10 player last year, but she played "all 5" USOS tourneys. In the past Kim Clijsters did it quite often and didn't harm herself at the USO. So, if a top-10er feels they can compete at all 4 events, then so be it. It's up to them.
 
#82 ·
I just think she needs to start thinking like a proper Top 5 player now. Playing select tournaments and making sure you are in tip-top shape for every single one of them, both fitness-wise and mentally.

She has so much talent, she does not need to vulture tournaments. If she plays well at every tournament, a sensible number of them will do.
yeah completely agree...she should fight like hell to win Cincy and Montreal since they're premiere 5's anyway and then drop NH despite how she feels about the tournament and the director there...she needs to conserve her energy and stamina for her most vulnerable GS on paper

way too premature to even say this...but man, it would really say something if she won USO...winning 2 slams in a season...
 
#85 ·
PS (from previous post)/Idle though while no real, or Petra tennis being played:

Really wish Petra would pick up the phone and call a Martina Navratilova or Pavel Slozil every once in a while for some advice, perspective and guidance (even in an unofficial capacity, if we can't have an official, semi official one).

Nothing against the "Mental Coach". But those type of tennis heavy weights, would best able to help Petra mentally prepare for winning majors (though of course we'll take whatever approach from the "Mental Coach" in the interim). :devil:

I'm not sure if Petra's reputed minimal to no communication (Martina has said this on more than one occasion), has had anything to do with a natural reluctance for Petra to seek help? Or maybe it's the acrimony between the Cersonek, Czech tennis/Politicians group vs the Slozil, Navratilova 'free speech, independent' group? Either way: You're a big girl now Petra. Do the right thing! Don't be controlled, scared off by that Big Head, Pot Bellied, Meglo Maniac [All Everything] Manager of yours!

Note: Slozil once said, he "speaks freely" from Czech tennis (i.e. Cersonek, Czech tennis federation, etc.) when discussing Kvitova's struggles in the recent past (think it was around the same Fed Cup; see below).

That was telling, regarding some rift/beef (though Slozil did say at the time he spoke to Petra in the past, though he didn't give details, intimating how often, when). :tape:

And of course, everyone remembers when Martina Navratilova wasn't initially invited to a recent Fed Cup finals in the Czech Republic (till she went public), over a feud with the Czech tennis hierarchy.

That was even more telling. Talk about lack of class? :eek: :help: :eek:

Nonetheless, good luck in the US, and especially NYC Petra Kvitova! :angel:

And congrats to you Mr. Kotyza (if anyone's reading, relaying the sub forum over there)!!!!! :bounce: :worship: :bounce:
 
#86 ·
I feel that Petra lacks the ambition of being a dominant player who's collecting slam after slam. I'm not sure if this is something a good coach is capable of helping her with, though. Game-wise, she's there, she really has it, which is the saddest thing about it. I'm a bit skeptical about the USO series as she had a lot of errands here and there, so I don't think Petra's trained enough, but who knows.

However/Of course many European players (for whatever reason) usually take years to acclimate themselves to the North American hardcourts and US Open.
Maybe it's the water :).
 
#91 ·
Petra does not have a full time male hitting partner.

That's been a complaint here for years.

In 2011, Adam (her boyfriend at the time) was her hitting partner when they were at mutual tournaments. That's the closest she ever came to one.

Occasionally, Petra hits with Prostojev boys (not including Adam, who was also a Protojev boy himself). :devil:

She hit with Stephanek occasionally as well, during their ahem situation.

And during big tournaments, she may hit with a Li Na, if/when she gets a chance.

Nonetheless, the situation is quite embarrassing (though not well publicized). Petra has never had a full time male hitting partner during and since 2011. As Rex59 noted, this is the complete opposite, of most other top flight players.

Now, to Rex 59 post: It's obvious, Petra's problems during the year, were more than just a hitting partner (aren't they always). There been recent articles from what I understand (though I did not read any of them). So I'm not going to lay this year on the hitting partners situation (though I'm sure it didn't help). Nonetheless, I do agree, that's it's been a reason for Petra's inconsistency [over the years], particularly during early rounds.

To my knowledge (or at least as far as we can see) Mr. Cersonek supplies Petra everybody, including hitting partners. And personally, I don't think Petra wants the extra work any way (as far as what we could gauge from David's comments from several years ago, regarding Petra and monotony, redundancy).You can't make this up.

SMH
 
#92 ·
Don't know what happened to REX59's post yesterday, and my response? :confused: But I don't see them. :eek:

Nonetheless, I said, Petra's never had a full time male hitting partners.

It's been a complaint here, at this forum for years.

The closest she ever came was her then boyfriend Adam in 2011. They would hit together during mutual tournaments they both attended (since he was a then rising junior), and some time together in the Czech Republic. Ironically, that was Petra's best year. :eek:

Petra also occasionally hit with the Prostojev boys when in the Czech Republic (not including Adam, who was a Prostojev boy himself), and towards the end of the year in 2012. :devil:

I'm assuming, she also hit sporadically with Radek--when she could at mutual events the past two seasons?

Of course, Petra has hit with Li Na when she's gotten the chance/can at big, dual tournaments such as majors. This is both sporadic, and hit and miss as the others.

Either way, It's kinda embarrassing, that a big time player such as Petra, has no full time male hitting partner (especially when the competition does).

As far as we can ascertain, Cersonek provides Petra with all her people. Of course, Petra should have the cajones, and/or the wallet to have her own (regardless of what Cersonek wants to hire/pay for). However, based off Kotyza's comments in the past, regarding Petra and redundant, monotonous activity (along with the fact she's never had one), it doesn't appear Petra really wants one either.

To Rex59's contention: Obviously, Petra's problems the past several years, have been more than just hitting partners (isn't it always). Apparently, there been articles on some possible reasons already, which I haven't read myself. I'm sure many of us, have our own ideas.

Historically, Petra has been mildly to notoriously vulnerable in early rounds. One would assume it's had something to do with her lack of a male hitting partners, granted there were no other underlying issues. Maybe, it would have helped her in some other matches this year as well? Who knows/My two cents!?

Saying all that: Let's hope for an excellent summer season, and a great US Open (especially if you read Kotyza's recent article/translation somewhere in this subforum)!

I hope that helped answer your question (Steni, and Rex 59).
 
#93 ·
It's funny: Petra wins Wimbledon and Kotzya gets married(congratulations to him and his bride, btw) and look at this thread :lol: Poor guy can't catch a break :lol:

If I recall correctly, didn't Petra come close to sweeping Canada, Cincinnati and New Haven in 2012, I believe? Proof she can pull it off. Also, wasn't that the year she lost to Bartoli at the Open on the Grandstand? I think that was R4. Shows she may not be overplaying her schedule.
 
#99 ·
He is probably fired because he wanted her to work harder. :rolleyes: :eek:

P.S.: Op, please, rename the thread to "PETRA bashing thread".
 
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