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Old Nov 27th, 2013, 04:41 AM   #151
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

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How did this discussion transform from sexism existing in tennis to class and an attack on Serena's character? What a mess
In addition to 2notrum mentioned, there was this gem out of nowhere

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She is full of bullshit as she has always been. Another case to try to force affirmative actions, this time in tennis.

I admit that popularity of women is comparable to men minus 10 ranking positions, meaning women ranked 1-10 are as popular as men ranked 11-20, etc.
But what can you do about it? Whine on TV and force media to pretend the equality? They do it already, so what else do you want? Whine about people's attitude?
And guess what: majority of WTA fans are male, while majority of female fans prefer ATP. So whine about your own kind, Martina. I, as a male, did nothing wrong.

You know how to fix it? I know: make female players compete as men do: five setters, no daddys, no tears, no bullshit, fight to the end, sweat and blood. And no bitchiness to each other. No "back to Poland" comments, no false dramas, no bullshit on and off court.
Physically impossible? Then complain to God.


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and when asked to clarify the above bold comments, you get this inexplicable retort. From sexism pivoting directly to minorities wanting free stuff, even Grand Slams

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Are you proposing the minorities should be granted free rides to grand slams?



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Old Nov 27th, 2013, 04:58 AM   #152
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

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Because it's more or less related.

Federer's behavior doesn't matter. People already form an image of him in their minds and go with that. He cusses out people and that golden image doesn't change. He's the elder statesman.

Serena's behavior doesn't matter. People already form an image of her in their minds and go with that. She cusses out people and she's appalling. She doesn't have class.

It's sexist because the man can act a certain way without reprecussion but the woman doing it earns scorn and damnation from the herpies harpies.
Will you stop with this sexism crap, Maria for one has cussed at umpires before and she's very well liked and not considered classless. You have zero common sense if you think Federer (who I'm not a fan of and I admit was an idiot in that video) has had outbursts as big as Serena has in his career. Federer has never had an episode like Serena's USO 09 or USO 2011. He also speaks kindly of his fellow players and is respectful. Serena is known to not give credit to her opponents and even make fun of them and their achievemnts, her list of disrespectful comments is endless. To be perfectly honest, I think she gets A LOT more support and is more liked than she deserves with that behavior.
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Old Nov 27th, 2013, 05:08 AM   #153
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

Crock of shit. Federer doesn't threaten officials and lines people …. pretty sure it's more to do with that hey. (Probably been posted 1000 times before this but IDGAF)

Also I hate Federer and he irritates me …. but i can totally see why he is so much more popular. I think people like Clijsters & Li etc are just as popular as Federer in Australia at least, she's a great champion but Serena does not have the kind of personality/attitude that get people behind her.
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

So what do you want? Ritual Seppuku?

It wasn't her finest moment, it was a black eye for her legacy. But you treat it as if she was stalking Shino and punched her in the chest or went upside Shino's head with a DVD player. All parties have moved on except y'all. Like really?

It's done and dusted, get over it.
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Will you stop with this sexism crap, Maria for one has cussed at umpires before and she's very well liked and not considered classless. You have zero common sense if you think Federer (who I'm not a fan of and I admit was an idiot in that video) has had outbursts as big as Serena has in his career. Federer has never had an episode like Serena's USO 09 or USO 2011. He also speaks kindly of his fellow players and is respectful. Serena is known to not give credit to her opponents and even make fun of them and their achievemnts, her list of disrespectful comments is endless. To be perfectly honest, I think she gets A LOT more support and is more liked than she deserves with that behavior.
That's bullshit. Sexism abounds right here on TF and we can start with this post. John McEnroe who has had an ongoing contract with Tennis Channel and ESPN was the bad boy with his outbursts and behaviour yet he is praised by the tennis establishment.
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So what do you want? Ritual Seppuku?

It wasn't her finest moment, it was a black eye for her legacy. But you treat it as if she was stalking Shino and punched her in the chest or went upside Shino's head with a DVD player. All parties have moved on except y'all. Like really?

It's done and dusted, get over it.
To some people, Serena will never be able to live down that incident.
Some knew they hated Serena, but couldn't quite explain why.
Then this incident fell right in their lap. They will use it against Serena beyond her playing days.

You have seen how often and easily it gets posted when poster want to bolster their argument against Serena, no matter the topic.
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Old Nov 27th, 2013, 05:20 AM   #157
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

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Crock of shit. Federer doesn't threaten officials and lines people …. pretty sure it's more to do with that hey. (Probably been posted 1000 times before this but IDGAF)

Also I hate Federer and he irritates me …. but i can totally see why he is so much more popular. I think people like Clijsters & Li etc are just as popular as Federer in Australia at least, she's a great champion but Serena does not have the kind of personality/attitude that get people behind her.
Full of shit, considering the tennis establishment looks at John McEnroe can do no wrong yet he was the bad guy of the ATP, yet, Serena was treated like crap at Indian Wells when she was a teenager, get real and quit lying through your teeth.
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To some people, Serena will never be able to live down that incident.
Some knew they hated Serena, but couldn't quite explain why.
Then this incident fell right in their lap. They will use it against Serena beyond her playing days.

You have seen how often and easily it gets posted when poster want to bolster their argument against Serena, no matter the topic.
Yeah, it's probably the same people that said those awful comments and jeered Serena at Indian Wells when she was a teenager.
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That's bullshit. Sexism abounds right here on TF and we can start with this post. John McEnroe who has had an ongoing contract with Tennis Channel and ESPN was the bad boy with his outbursts and behaviour yet he is praised by the tennis establishment.
He's been retired for many years, he got a lot of criticism back in the day. I'm 100% sure that many years after Serena retires she'll also be praised by the tennis establishment and will have a job as a commentator or whatnot if she wants.

And I don't even get why you're saying that, are you trying to say that Serena is not praised by the tennis establishment right now?! God everyone is kissing her ass.

What was sexist about my post?
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Yeah, it's probably the same people that said those awful comments and jeered Serena at Indian Wells when she was a teenager.


Some of the same people who are now adamant and determined to explain why Serena is not liked were also adamant when some of us expressed our disappointment that the American public had not, over the years, given the support that a home country player customarily from their home fans.
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Crock of shit. Federer doesn't threaten officials and lines people …. pretty sure it's more to do with that hey. (Probably been posted 1000 times before this but IDGAF)

Also I hate Federer and he irritates me …. but i can totally see why he is so much more popular. I think people like Clijsters & Li etc are just as popular as Federer in Australia at least, she's a great champion but Serena does not have the kind of personality/attitude that get people behind her.
The point is, he's no where near the "class act" that many here and throughout the tennis world attempt to make him out to be.

I'm sure this is easy enough to understand.

Now, fans are free to like and dislike whoever they want.
However, they will NOT get away with using baseless reasoning against the one greatest female athlete to grace the tennis courts in years, and have to be subjected to senseless comparisons with a pretentious, pompous, boring, ATP player idolized by fans who actively ignore his failings, weaknesses, and mistakes.

That is what people are saying here.
And it really doesn't matter who accepts these facts or not, because his failings are documented and immortalized on video.
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To some people, Serena will never be able to live down that incident.
Some knew they hated Serena, but couldn't quite explain why.
Then this incident fell right in their lap. They will use it against Serena beyond her playing days.

You have seen how often and easily it gets posted when poster want to bolster their argument against Serena, no matter the topic.
And also the same people who will never admit to Serena being subjected to some of the worst treatment by the tennis community at large, during the the majority of her tennis career.
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The point is, he's no where near the "class act" that many here and throughout the tennis world attempt to make him out to be.

I'm sure this is easy enough to understand.

Now, fans are free to like and dislike whoever they want.
However, they will NOT get away with using baseless reasoning against the one greatest female athlete to grace the tennis courts in years, and have to be subjected to senseless comparisons with a pretentious, pompous, boring, ATP player idolized by fans who actively ignore his failings, weaknesses, and mistakes.

That is what people are saying here.
And it really doesn't matter who accepts these facts or not, because his failings are documented and immortalized on video.And also the same people who will never admit to Serena being subjected to some of the worst treatment by the tennis community at large, during the the majority of her tennis career.
BS post... all the way..

But coming from someone like you really expected.

Like it or not Federer is a bigger tennis icon, more respected by fans and his mates and greater than Serena will ever be.

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BS post... all the way..

But coming from someone like you really expected.

Federer is a bigger tennis icon, more respected by fans and his mates and greater than Serena will ever be.

Such a delusional poster, typical BS at its best.
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

RDV can you stop being so ridiculous? Federer has had a few very minor "glitches" throughout his career, but on average he's a million times classier and just plain nicer than Serena, that's just undeniable.
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Re: Navratilova: Sexism still in tennis; easier for Federer to be loved than Serena

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RDV can you stop being so ridiculous? Federer has had a few very minor "glitches" throughout his career, but on average he's a million times classier than Serena, that's just undeniable.
Why don't you take your own advice and act like you have some class and not the troll we know you actually are.
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