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Old Aug 5th, 2013, 07:08 AM   #16
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Re: Evolution of Maria's Game - 2004-2013

'Lack of success on hardcourts in recent years.'



... wait... what?!?
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Old Aug 5th, 2013, 07:24 AM   #17
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Re: Evolution of Maria's Game - 2004-2013

the only versions of pre-shoulder injury Maria who would beat the current Pova would be late 2006 one and obviously the early 2008 one. I'm not sure about lanky teen Maria from 2004, since she was still 2 inches shorter and her game was made for success on grass back then. Current Maria is much more physically stronger and more consistent too.
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Back then she was better in finals. Nowadays literally she could lose any finals.


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Old Aug 5th, 2013, 03:33 PM   #19
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Re: Evolution of Maria's Game - 2004-2013

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You can laugh as much as you like. It will not change the facts. The speed of the serve is not matter of an opinion, so it is clear you are not aware of the numbers.
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When we talk about the comparison of Maria model 2012 - 2013 to Maria models 2004 - 2008 we should consider the best form of Maria, not her not so good matches.
It is not possible to prove who will win Maria 2012-2013 or Maria 20004-2008 and therefore it is meaningless to argue. My opinion is based on the comparison of the basic parameters of Maria's game for which there is a data.
I don't think it's all that. For eg, I'm sure she has many more aces and a higher 1st AND 2nd serve winning % during the US Summer HC and fall 2006. It's not always the speed, she used to have incredible serve placement.

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'Lack of success on hardcourts in recent years.'

... wait... what?!?
Measuring her level of success to winning slams I guess. So we can also address Martha's complete collapse of form on grass courts bar Wimbledon 2011 and Olympics fluke

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the only versions of pre-shoulder injury Maria who would beat the current Pova would be late 2006 one and obviously the early 2008 one. I'm not sure about lanky teen Maria from 2004, since she was still 2 inches shorter and her game was made for success on grass back then. Current Maria is much more physically stronger and more consistent too.
I don't buy that Martha now would get killed by pre-surgery Pova though, or vice-versa. Martha is no doubt a more complete player now. She was definitely mentally stronger and instinctive with her game then, but with more rough edges. It'll be compelling for sure but I don't see an absolute case for either.
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Old Aug 5th, 2013, 04:38 PM   #20
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I don't think it's all that. For eg, I'm sure she has many more aces and a higher 1st AND 2nd serve winning % during the US Summer HC and fall 2006. It's not always the speed, she used to have incredible serve placement.
She probably did have higher winning %s on 1st and 2nd serve back then, BUT that isn't necessarily due to the serve, those stats are affected by the rest of your game. (For instance, Azarenka has one of the highest % of points won on her 2nd serve this year; the puffball 2nd serves she puts in are obviously not even close to being among the best, but it's because she backs it up with the rest of her game being so solid.)

In terms of aces and unreturned serves, Maria is pretty close to the level she was at in 2006. She definitely puts the same amount of raw pace on it as she ever did, I agree she's maybe lost a bit of variety in placement, but overall her serve has been close to its peak since the start of 2012. But she's never going to have a serve that does all the work for her if the rest of her game isn't up to the required standard; look at Venus, she still had comfortably the 2nd-best serve on the WTA until a couple of years ago yet she still couldn't win shit away from grass.
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Old Aug 5th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #21
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She probably did have higher winning %s on 1st and 2nd serve back then, BUT that isn't necessarily due to the serve, those stats are affected by the rest of your game. (For instance, Azarenka has one of the highest % of points won on her 2nd serve this year; the puffball 2nd serves she puts in are obviously not even close to being among the best, but it's because she backs it up with the rest of her game being so solid.)

In terms of aces and unreturned serves, Maria is pretty close to the level she was at in 2006. She definitely puts the same amount of raw pace on it as she ever did, I agree she's maybe lost a bit of variety in placement, but overall her serve has been close to its peak since the start of 2012. But she's never going to have a serve that does all the work for her if the rest of her game isn't up to the required standard; look at Venus, she still had comfortably the 2nd-best serve on the WTA until a couple of years ago yet she still couldn't win shit away from grass.
I really think you need to rewatch any match from the fall 2006 period; Maria's serve was a way bigger weapon then than it is now. I do think her serve has become more stable in the last couple of years though - it's not the double faults that cost her in big matches anymore, which is a big positive.
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Re: Evolution of Maria's Game - 2004-2013

I think dsanders is right about the serve tbh, it's as good as it can likely get with the current motion, although IMO it could be a lot better with a new one. Yeah there's a noticeable difference in variety, but she has at leat used variety in important matches, mixed it up well in most stage of the RG final and the serve out wide in the AD side was (amazingly) the only thing that worked in her AO SF (I think she hit like 5 aces out wide iirc). It's also supposed to be the hardest on the shoulder so that could be a reason why.

And tbh, even with her predictable serve, it get's her by 99% of the time. It's actually something that proves to me how overrated the Vika ROS is, if it was as GOAT as it was made out to be why does she never do more on ROS?

I also think the main problem is she never backs it up correctly, doesn't follow it in when she can or never goes for the lines after it.

BH DTL and not coming in are the major problems, along with this constantly central BS. Oh and hitting straight back to the opponent each and every time...and even her inside-out FH CC seems less potent, she really does need to go for the lines when it's there. Yes, construct the points but 90% of the winners she hits could have been hit 3 strokes earlier these days.

A lot of what she needs to do is just the very basics, hit to the open space, follow good shots in and BEND THE KNEES (this is something that really affects her BH DTL and her grass game). These are blatantly obvious flaws and ones I'm confident Connors can correct.

If he decides to change anything technically I think it should be OK too, generally speaking old school technique was more sound and I don't think he'll shy away from bringing in technique specialists. The main difference between the WTA and the ATP IMO is that nearly every WTA player has major technical hitches in all but one of their shots, so he could really be of a lot of value there.

It could well be 2014 before we see the benefits, if any, of this partnership but I think we'll at least see a bolder/more aggressive Maria in Cinci/USO.

Oh and lastly, she's still tough as nails but I'm hoping given his character he can get her cockiness back. I'm sure it'll irritate me at stages but arrogant/kuntpova needs to return asap, I can count the times I've heard "That's the way" since she came back.
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Old Aug 9th, 2013, 01:16 AM   #23
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Re: Evolution of Maria's Game - 2004-2013

I was watching Highlights from 2010 and early 2011 and back then she was quite inconsistent with her baseline game, and the more she feels inconsistent, the more she rushes to the net to finish points off. Being consistent again, she needs to get BACK that game, going forward, finishing the points and not waiting for a UE or a killing shot from the baseline. I hope Connors understands that !
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