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Old Jul 9th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #826
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

Yeh I don't buy the height issue either tbh
She just isn't disciplined enough on grass these days, because she reverts back to her clay game. Which is why if in her wildest dreams she wanted to win another WImbledon, playing a grass warm-up tournament will be vital. In two years they'll be adding an extra week between RG + W
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Old Jul 9th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #827
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

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Janowicz is almost 2m and Venus is about the same height as Martha, I don't really buy the too tall excuse. She needs to go back to her flatter shots and angles that's it.
Janowicz has a huge serve, of the kind no woman can produce, which is the main reason why he does well on grass. Venus is a couple of inches shorter than Maria (and just a couple of inches can be crucial) and also is more athletic than Maria and thus is (or was, in her prime days) able to consistently crouch down and hit the ball at a comfortable height, in a way Maria can't.

Last year I did believe her grasscourt problems were mainly just because she wasn't playing aggressive enough, but this year I realised she actually was trying to play aggressively, but the bounce just doesn't allow her to time her attempted aggressive shots correctly, especially on the forehand. In her two matches there this year, she probably hit her forehand cleanly less than 10 times.
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Old Jul 9th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #828
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Janowicz has a huge serve, of the kind no woman can produce, which is the main reason why he does well on grass. Venus is a couple of inches shorter than Maria (and just a couple of inches can be crucial) and also is more athletic than Maria and thus is (or was, in her prime days) able to consistently crouch down and hit the ball at a comfortable height, in a way Maria can't.

Last year I did believe her grasscourt problems were mainly just because she wasn't playing aggressive enough, but this year I realised she actually was trying to play aggressively, but the bounce just doesn't allow her to time her attempted aggressive shots correctly, especially on the forehand. In her two matches there this year, she probably hit her forehand cleanly less than 10 times.
she definitely had some problems with her forehand in these two matches for sure, but we have to consider how unlucky she was for the last two years as well...first of all, facing streaking Lisicki in early round last year and then playing against inspired mini version of herself on a slippery court this year. Had she survived the first week of Wimbledon (and I'm convinced she would have beaten Bartoli for sure, especially if they played on a higher bouncing and slower CC), the second week would be all spent on the worn out slower grass, which would suit her game just fine against all the remaining players. So yes, I do think this was a huge missed opportunity for her and a chance to add to her slam tally
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

IMO it is all due to her footwork.
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

And also, her tall height means that she should have a massive serve.
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

Guys, the next grass tournament is in one year, so it is time to calm down and move on.
And her height was the same during OGs actually, but she played very nice....extra warm up event this is what she needs.
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

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Grass is by far her worst surface now !

Maria is simply too tall. The ball bounce too low for her
Huh? She was the same height when she used to excel on grass.
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

Can't we just let this thread rest in piss peace?
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Old Jul 11th, 2013, 03:56 PM   #834
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Re: Wimbledon 2013: Reminiscences of Green Grass

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Janowicz has a huge serve, of the kind no woman can produce, which is the main reason why he does well on grass. Venus is a couple of inches shorter than Maria (and just a couple of inches can be crucial) and also is more athletic than Maria and thus is (or was, in her prime days) able to consistently crouch down and hit the ball at a comfortable height, in a way Maria can't.

Last year I did believe her grasscourt problems were mainly just because she wasn't playing aggressive enough, but this year I realised she actually was trying to play aggressively, but the bounce just doesn't allow her to time her attempted aggressive shots correctly, especially on the forehand. In her two matches there this year, she probably hit her forehand cleanly less than 10 times.
I agree with your assessment on Vee and Janowicz vs Martha, but it's primarily to show that the height issue should not really be seen as only an obstacle to her excelling on grass, she can fully utilise it as an advantage too.

As mentioned by others and you, her footwork and strokes preparation were definitely a mess. Which is why I've been saying, adding Birmingham would do wonders. She just wasn't confident enough with her game on grass to counter a streaking player in Wimbledon this year (and last year).
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