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Old Jun 18th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #4636
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Re: Off topic - The Chak fans chat thread!

Is it fair to assume professional tennis darling of fortune, shikuyuschimi the expense of others? Why the growth in prize money in the ATP World Tour in recent years won by and large a star? How much is the average player pays the coach of the first hundred? In general, how much is to be a professional tennis player? On these and other issues at the request of the "SE" tried to answer the 30-year-old former 20th and now the 64th number one world ranking Dmitry Tursunov, who earned his career 4,508,524 dollars in prize money, and Boris Sobkin, coach of the first racket of Russia Mikhail Southern.


Dmitry Tursunov, "go into minus? THIS IS NOT EXCLUDED!"

TAXES

- Let's start from the end, to be exact - with taxes. If you think we do not pay, you are deeply mistaken - began his monologue Tursunov. - Let us consider the example of the situation in the Australian Open. After losing in the first round, tennis this year received 27,600 Australian dollars - about 20,000 euros. And such, this amount was only this year thanks to the complaints themselves players.

In Australia, the tax is unfixed. So there players provide paper or checks with costs they incurred while participating in the Australian Open. The tax amount is calculated based on the final net earnings Player. Of course, the cost can be a little "throw" but it is a risky business: when verifying the data you can catch on inaccuracies.

As for the other tournament "Grand Slam", then at Roland Garros tax rate is 15%, at Wimbledon - 20%, while US Open - 30%.

TICKETS

Now about the cost. It usually starts with transportation costs. Long road to Melbourne, and for the flight to Melbourne I will certainly take business class ticket, which will pay out of pocket. It is estimated 3,000 euros.

In Australia, I once flew economy class. But at my age to do so is not worth it - it is more expensive. The body can not iron, and after the economy class you three or four days you can not straighten up properly and train.

If you take with a trainer and physiotherapist, then buy tickets and it - but in economy. It has about 3,000 euros for two. But if I was working with a mentor Brad Gilbert level, it is, of course, has requested a slightly different conditions for the flight. The higher the level the coach, the more he needs.

TEAM

Their team all the tennis players pay in different ways. I pay weekly. Coach - 1000 euros per week plus 15 percent of the prize money earned after taxes. That is my coach takes interest in the money that remains to me. Salary physiotherapist - 1000 euros per week. But this rate is low enough, and you can tell me what to do substantial discount.

But other tennis players often other payment systems. For example, I heard that in the same period of the Gilbert and Andy Roddick had no salary at all, but it would take more than a few of the top athletes. All this pre-specified in the contract.

HOUSING

The system of payment for hotels tournament "Grand Slam" and the ATP World Tour different. At competitions ATP organizers usually pay for a separate room for the player - at least 5 days or until such time as you have not lost. The last couple of months I lived in one room with his physical therapist to save money and not pay for another room. But if someone from the team starts to climb into the bottle and says that he needs a private room, you're still one thing - to find a compromise.

Most often live together coach and physiotherapist - again at the expense of the player. If the tournament comes to your beautiful half, the situation is, of course, is changing dramatically - and saving is no longer possible. Many necessarily believe that the girl and her expenses - this is a luxury (smiles).

But on the "Grand Slam" to pay for hotels players emit a kind of subsistence. For example, at Roland Garros, they account for about 250 euros a day. With this money you can stay in a fairly average four-star hotel, the room is not very large.

Many tennis players from the first twenty or tridtsatka world ranking prefer to stay in hotels, where rooms cost between 300 euros and above, paying extra difference out of pocket. What for? For example, you have a match begins at 11 am, and you go for breakfast at 8 or 9 o'clock. And at this time in the restaurants standard tourist hotels - a swarm of people. And you're wasting too much time to just order an omelet. As a result, and time is running out, and nerves spent.

So tennis players advisable to stay in small hotels, where in all respects calmer. After all, first of all you aspire to the most basic comfort: that the bed was comfortable and the air conditioner worked fine, but not as a diesel tractor. Otherwise it will be impossible to prepare properly for the match. Do not sleep enough - and how do you want to run five sets? Deigned to dine for breakfast fried sausages? Please do not forget that the rules of the tournament "Grand Slam" are you for five games only twice can absent himself in the toilet.

NUTRITION

This is certainly an extremely important part. Here, too, in various tournaments in different ways. For example, at the French Open you accrued at 37 euros a day. By the way, for us, the tennis players, it is one of the most friendly tournament "Grand Slam". Even if you lost money on the accreditation card with a special chip has three or four days regularly replenished. Whereas in other competitions have to climb for his wallet the next day after the defeat.

Now about the prices. At the same Roland Garros main dish at the restaurant for tennis players on average costs 12 euros, and salad - 9. That is, for 37 euros you can eat a maximum of twice a day. And it is not certain that the stowed. And it sometimes happens that you prepare for a match, you take a small portion, you pay for it, eat and go away to play. But the meeting was repeatedly interrupted because of rain, and you almost every time you have a little "refuel." A cash counter all working, working ... Of course, this does not happen every day, but ...

In addition, you have to pay for a table for the trainer and physiotherapist. Because that salary that you pay for the work of his team, the tournament remains untouched. If team members understand your situation, you also save. For example, do not choose the official hotel, but something cheaper. Fasting is, of course, no one will, but at the expense of 300 euros you will not do. But that's in theory. But in practice, trainers and physical therapists about the economy not steamed. It turns out, I was with my current team were lucky.

Of course, with team members can specify in advance the amount of per diem for meals and sundry expenses - for example, $ 60 a day. But in England, or in Monte Carlo on the money you can only dine. So there has to spend more.

FORM AND RACKET

- Thank God, both as long as I get free from their sponsors (smiles). But some guys have to pay for running shoes with T-shirts, and for inventory. Although compared with other outlay buy sports clothing - a trifle. In a year you spend on it is 3000 - 4000 euros, not more.

As for the washing shape during the competition, then in some tournaments offer this service for free, and have to shell out somewhere. In Barcelona, ​​Dusseldorf, we were spending on the 60 - 70 euros per week. But in the tournament "Grand Slam" wash free.

About the stringing too are nuances. At last year's Roland Garros draw a racquet for a player during qualifying cost 20 euros, and for a tennis player main draw - 5 euro more. And pull the same, and take depending on how much you earn. That is, in fact, it turns out, as in the French tax system: more money - you pay more. But it is worth hundreds of players to the first complaint, it is necessary to raise the prize money, they hear in response, saying, learn to play, that will rise in the rankings - and then you earn revenues.

As you know, the one racket does not play a tournament. The same Andy Murray pulls 9 racquets to match, plus two or three rackets in training days before the competition. So that the amount could eventually prove to be formidable.

IMAGE

Of course, I want to spend some money on herself - her privacy, family, or set aside for a rainy day. Specifically, tennis is not concerned, but still. If a known film actor arrives at a event, he has to think of a good car, be well dressed, right? So it is here. Tennis tournament arrives at the presentation of the trolley and in clothing unbecoming of his status, around say, 'meanie! " Although I must confess: expensive clothing brands mostly buy exclusively on sales, or during periods of discounts. Generally I megaskuperdyay - a sort of Scrooge McDuck.

Let's sum up. Can a tennis player to come out negative or zero play in the tournament? Yes, such a situation can not be excluded. As they say, never say never.

TRAINING

Recently flew to train in Monte Carlo, because to do so in Moscow, it was useless. The only clay courts, more or less corresponds to the level of the game, are we on the "River Station". But to go in traffic jams across the city to work out - then still a pleasure. Moreover, at the end of lessons have yet to reach the capital from the north to Rublevki where there is a sensible physical therapist, and then again to return to practice. Option is not the easiest. And in other parts of Moscow for the courts to pay. Although the members of the team, in my opinion, to do it at home - in a strange way.

So, even Monte Carlo in comparison with Moscow - a viable option in terms of time and nerves. And even at such a gathering you pay for coach and physiotherapist - all their own expenses plus. Such training - it is, in fact, contributed to his career in the hope that it will pay off in the future. But, unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of earnings.

MANAGER

I am lucky that I have a manager. Although it loudly. In fact, this is the person who helped me over the last 18 years with contracts and other niceties and does not require any fees for it. From an early age he repeated to me that I should not have to spend a lot, show off - just do not go crazy. This allowed me to save a little for the future.

Still it is necessary to take into account how much money spent on the tennis my father to the moment when I really began to play. It is not one hundred thousand dollars. It turns out, plus I got a lot later than started earning. A year or two with a big scratch out a zero, working mainly on the salary successful coach in the hope that his knowledge will allow me to play at a high level. Again, it was a kind of investment in the future.

By the way, my manager was a good school life, he emigrated to the United States with a hole in your pocket, and eventually amassed a living. I was very lucky that caught the person who is responsible for my savings. The same can not be said of many managers who are not particularly baked on savings of their wards.

Here the situation is the same individual, as in the case with the coach - everyone is spinning as you can. I know one tennis player has earned 1.9 million dollars in his career, and a huge part of who gave the money to the sponsor, who helped him in his childhood, but at the signing of the agreement included a percentage of the prize money there.

SUMMARY

Relatively speaking, a 10-year career, you earn 1.9 million dollars. You pay 20% tax - and it turns out that in the year you oncoming approximately 150,000 of income and expenditures of at least 100,000. That is, in fact, you romp through the world 10 years, and before that it was another 15 years of training - and earn about 5,000 dollars a month.
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Old Jun 18th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #4637
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Maybe don't take Business
I do agree that money is very scarce on the Pro Tour but only if you are ranked under Grand Slam MD level...
It is impossible to come near supporting yourself including sponsors unless you wither A) have a job, B) have parents who support you or C) come from a country which wants to invest in tennis (Kazakhstan or Azerbaijan ) unless you are around 200. Even Tadeja says that her parents have to help and she is virtually Top 100
Although she doesn't exactly play the cheapest schedule or the most money bringing tournaments
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It must be nice to be someone like Cohen who can travel wherever she wants. She should have got some top coach to get more out of her little talent. I like these articles about how much it costs to tour. It must be very expensive to have both a coach and physio travelling with you but players seem to need a massage every day or they will get injured. I thought players travel with a coach and hitting partner. People like to say Australian players are spoilt but really they are not getting that much assistance.
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Is it fair to assume professional tennis darling of fortune, shikuyuschimi the expense of others? Why the growth in prize money in the ATP World Tour in recent years won by and large a star? How much is the average player pays the coach of the first hundred? In general, how much is to be a professional tennis player? On these and other issues at the request of the "SE" tried to answer the 30-year-old former 20th and now the 64th number one world ranking Dmitry Tursunov, who earned his career 4,508,524 dollars in prize money, and Boris Sobkin, coach of the first racket of Russia Mikhail Southern.


Dmitry Tursunov, "go into minus? THIS IS NOT EXCLUDED!"

TAXES

- Let's start from the end, to be exact - with taxes. If you think we do not pay, you are deeply mistaken - began his monologue Tursunov. - Let us consider the example of the situation in the Australian Open. After losing in the first round, tennis this year received 27,600 Australian dollars - about 20,000 euros. And such, this amount was only this year thanks to the complaints themselves players.

In Australia, the tax is unfixed. So there players provide paper or checks with costs they incurred while participating in the Australian Open. The tax amount is calculated based on the final net earnings Player. Of course, the cost can be a little "throw" but it is a risky business: when verifying the data you can catch on inaccuracies.

As for the other tournament "Grand Slam", then at Roland Garros tax rate is 15%, at Wimbledon - 20%, while US Open - 30%.

TICKETS

Now about the cost. It usually starts with transportation costs. Long road to Melbourne, and for the flight to Melbourne I will certainly take business class ticket, which will pay out of pocket. It is estimated 3,000 euros.

In Australia, I once flew economy class. But at my age to do so is not worth it - it is more expensive. The body can not iron, and after the economy class you three or four days you can not straighten up properly and train.

If you take with a trainer and physiotherapist, then buy tickets and it - but in economy. It has about 3,000 euros for two. But if I was working with a mentor Brad Gilbert level, it is, of course, has requested a slightly different conditions for the flight. The higher the level the coach, the more he needs.

TEAM

Their team all the tennis players pay in different ways. I pay weekly. Coach - 1000 euros per week plus 15 percent of the prize money earned after taxes. That is my coach takes interest in the money that remains to me. Salary physiotherapist - 1000 euros per week. But this rate is low enough, and you can tell me what to do substantial discount.

But other tennis players often other payment systems. For example, I heard that in the same period of the Gilbert and Andy Roddick had no salary at all, but it would take more than a few of the top athletes. All this pre-specified in the contract.

HOUSING

The system of payment for hotels tournament "Grand Slam" and the ATP World Tour different. At competitions ATP organizers usually pay for a separate room for the player - at least 5 days or until such time as you have not lost. The last couple of months I lived in one room with his physical therapist to save money and not pay for another room. But if someone from the team starts to climb into the bottle and says that he needs a private room, you're still one thing - to find a compromise.

Most often live together coach and physiotherapist - again at the expense of the player. If the tournament comes to your beautiful half, the situation is, of course, is changing dramatically - and saving is no longer possible. Many necessarily believe that the girl and her expenses - this is a luxury (smiles).

But on the "Grand Slam" to pay for hotels players emit a kind of subsistence. For example, at Roland Garros, they account for about 250 euros a day. With this money you can stay in a fairly average four-star hotel, the room is not very large.

Many tennis players from the first twenty or tridtsatka world ranking prefer to stay in hotels, where rooms cost between 300 euros and above, paying extra difference out of pocket. What for? For example, you have a match begins at 11 am, and you go for breakfast at 8 or 9 o'clock. And at this time in the restaurants standard tourist hotels - a swarm of people. And you're wasting too much time to just order an omelet. As a result, and time is running out, and nerves spent.

So tennis players advisable to stay in small hotels, where in all respects calmer. After all, first of all you aspire to the most basic comfort: that the bed was comfortable and the air conditioner worked fine, but not as a diesel tractor. Otherwise it will be impossible to prepare properly for the match. Do not sleep enough - and how do you want to run five sets? Deigned to dine for breakfast fried sausages? Please do not forget that the rules of the tournament "Grand Slam" are you for five games only twice can absent himself in the toilet.

NUTRITION

This is certainly an extremely important part. Here, too, in various tournaments in different ways. For example, at the French Open you accrued at 37 euros a day. By the way, for us, the tennis players, it is one of the most friendly tournament "Grand Slam". Even if you lost money on the accreditation card with a special chip has three or four days regularly replenished. Whereas in other competitions have to climb for his wallet the next day after the defeat.

Now about the prices. At the same Roland Garros main dish at the restaurant for tennis players on average costs 12 euros, and salad - 9. That is, for 37 euros you can eat a maximum of twice a day. And it is not certain that the stowed. And it sometimes happens that you prepare for a match, you take a small portion, you pay for it, eat and go away to play. But the meeting was repeatedly interrupted because of rain, and you almost every time you have a little "refuel." A cash counter all working, working ... Of course, this does not happen every day, but ...

In addition, you have to pay for a table for the trainer and physiotherapist. Because that salary that you pay for the work of his team, the tournament remains untouched. If team members understand your situation, you also save. For example, do not choose the official hotel, but something cheaper. Fasting is, of course, no one will, but at the expense of 300 euros you will not do. But that's in theory. But in practice, trainers and physical therapists about the economy not steamed. It turns out, I was with my current team were lucky.

Of course, with team members can specify in advance the amount of per diem for meals and sundry expenses - for example, $ 60 a day. But in England, or in Monte Carlo on the money you can only dine. So there has to spend more.

FORM AND RACKET

- Thank God, both as long as I get free from their sponsors (smiles). But some guys have to pay for running shoes with T-shirts, and for inventory. Although compared with other outlay buy sports clothing - a trifle. In a year you spend on it is 3000 - 4000 euros, not more.

As for the washing shape during the competition, then in some tournaments offer this service for free, and have to shell out somewhere. In Barcelona, ​​Dusseldorf, we were spending on the 60 - 70 euros per week. But in the tournament "Grand Slam" wash free.

About the stringing too are nuances. At last year's Roland Garros draw a racquet for a player during qualifying cost 20 euros, and for a tennis player main draw - 5 euro more. And pull the same, and take depending on how much you earn. That is, in fact, it turns out, as in the French tax system: more money - you pay more. But it is worth hundreds of players to the first complaint, it is necessary to raise the prize money, they hear in response, saying, learn to play, that will rise in the rankings - and then you earn revenues.

As you know, the one racket does not play a tournament. The same Andy Murray pulls 9 racquets to match, plus two or three rackets in training days before the competition. So that the amount could eventually prove to be formidable.

IMAGE

Of course, I want to spend some money on herself - her privacy, family, or set aside for a rainy day. Specifically, tennis is not concerned, but still. If a known film actor arrives at a event, he has to think of a good car, be well dressed, right? So it is here. Tennis tournament arrives at the presentation of the trolley and in clothing unbecoming of his status, around say, 'meanie! " Although I must confess: expensive clothing brands mostly buy exclusively on sales, or during periods of discounts. Generally I megaskuperdyay - a sort of Scrooge McDuck.

Let's sum up. Can a tennis player to come out negative or zero play in the tournament? Yes, such a situation can not be excluded. As they say, never say never.

TRAINING

Recently flew to train in Monte Carlo, because to do so in Moscow, it was useless. The only clay courts, more or less corresponds to the level of the game, are we on the "River Station". But to go in traffic jams across the city to work out - then still a pleasure. Moreover, at the end of lessons have yet to reach the capital from the north to Rublevki where there is a sensible physical therapist, and then again to return to practice. Option is not the easiest. And in other parts of Moscow for the courts to pay. Although the members of the team, in my opinion, to do it at home - in a strange way.

So, even Monte Carlo in comparison with Moscow - a viable option in terms of time and nerves. And even at such a gathering you pay for coach and physiotherapist - all their own expenses plus. Such training - it is, in fact, contributed to his career in the hope that it will pay off in the future. But, unfortunately, it's not a guarantee of earnings.

MANAGER

I am lucky that I have a manager. Although it loudly. In fact, this is the person who helped me over the last 18 years with contracts and other niceties and does not require any fees for it. From an early age he repeated to me that I should not have to spend a lot, show off - just do not go crazy. This allowed me to save a little for the future.

Still it is necessary to take into account how much money spent on the tennis my father to the moment when I really began to play. It is not one hundred thousand dollars. It turns out, plus I got a lot later than started earning. A year or two with a big scratch out a zero, working mainly on the salary successful coach in the hope that his knowledge will allow me to play at a high level. Again, it was a kind of investment in the future.

By the way, my manager was a good school life, he emigrated to the United States with a hole in your pocket, and eventually amassed a living. I was very lucky that caught the person who is responsible for my savings. The same can not be said of many managers who are not particularly baked on savings of their wards.

Here the situation is the same individual, as in the case with the coach - everyone is spinning as you can. I know one tennis player has earned 1.9 million dollars in his career, and a huge part of who gave the money to the sponsor, who helped him in his childhood, but at the signing of the agreement included a percentage of the prize money there.

SUMMARY

Relatively speaking, a 10-year career, you earn 1.9 million dollars. You pay 20% tax - and it turns out that in the year you oncoming approximately 150,000 of income and expenditures of at least 100,000. That is, in fact, you romp through the world 10 years, and before that it was another 15 years of training - and earn about 5,000 dollars a month.
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I watched both matches almost in their entirety yesterday and today. Yesterday's match was NID. Tadeja got quite some temper, kept talking to herself all match long and got upset easily with the line calls. She needs to work on her attitude as it lets her down at times. She recognized me after the match (we met in a challenger in Pune in 2011) and high-fived which was pretty cool. Today she wasted a big chance as Min doesn't seem to be a GOAT by any means. She was very slow today and made tons of errors. When she upped her game at the end of the 2nd set, she reeled off 3 straight games in a row with some powerful play. Min took a looooooooong comfort break and it must've upset Tadeja as she lost the set in around 15 minutes. I'd say 80% of points lost were her errors. She simply didn't believe it was her day and at 05 down she was talking herself out of it... laughing 'I'm gonna lost 6-0 how pathetic is that, I played nothing today'. Shame.
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oh...it's quite sad, because she is such a nice girl and has much potential
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Yeah she is so adorable.
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I would love to arrange an interview with her for my blog...but it seems like she's not around on twitter nor facebook I gotta move my slovene knowledges
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LOL this makes me like him.
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