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Old Apr 16th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #871
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AEGON Junior International Nottingham (week 2), ITF G4

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(4) Ulrikke Høyer (DEN) d. Ana Webber (GBR) 60 60

Good score. Ulrikke's not playing dubs this week which seems a bit odd considering it's her best event (although she lost dubs in R1 a week ago).
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2013 Nordic Junior Championships (U 14 Teams)
Each tie consists of 4 singles matches & 2 doubles matches. Match tiebreak also in singles matches. Denmark's results (Danish players always mentioned first):

Denmark vs Finland 3-3
Sofie Bjerringgaard lost to Marinella Minetti 67(1) 36
Ida Krause d. Venla Andersson 63 76(3)
Helena Francati d. Veera Antonen 75 60
Sofia Munch lost to Matilda Vainio 67(4) 57
Bjerringgaard/Krause d. Liebkind/Antonen 63 60
Francati/Hillingsø lost to Minetti/Andersson 57 67(3)

Denmark vs Norway 3-3
Sofie Bjerringgaard lost to Malene Helgö 26 76(6) [6-10]
Helena Francati lost to Astrid Brune Olsen 36 16
Sofia Munch lost to Brit Storhaug 16 46
Rebekka Hillingsø d. Sangeeta Roopan 63 62
Bjerringgaard/Krause d. Helgö/Brune Olsen 46 76(4) [10-7]
Francati/Hillingsø d. Storhaug/Roopan 46 63 [10-6]

Denmark vs Sweden 3-3
Sofie Bjerringgaard lost to Julita Sanér 60 16 [9-11]
Ida Krause d. Alexandra Viktorovitch 76 46 [10-2]
Helena Francati lost to Melis Yasar 67(2) 36
Rebekka Hillingsø d. Josefin Opitz 63 63
Bjerringgaard/Krause d. Sanér/Yasar 75 63
Francati/Hillingsø lost to Opitz/Axelsson 16 36

All three of Denmark's ties ended 3-3! Unbelieveable. Norway won the girl's event because they defeated both Finland and Sweden 5-1. Denmark came second in the girl's tournament but it was really close this year among all nations. There were many close matches, and quite a few match tiebreaks were decisive. Overall really good performances by the Danes this year.

The format was changed this year. A year ago, the Championships were U 13 and U15 events: Denmark won both U13 AND U15 on the girl's side in 2012, and also won the combined event, which included the boy's U13 and U15 teams. This year Denmark was 3rd in the combined event, but all 4 Nordic nations ended up with the same amount of points, so sets won/lost was decisive!

Photos from tennis.dk, here and here:


Ida Krause


Rebekka Hillingsø


Sofie Bjerringgaard & Helena Francati (is that Danish flags on their nails?)

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Go Rebekka La Cour Hillingsø & Ida Krause. I don't Know Y but Ida Krause kinda remind me of Caro somewhat
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Hi angliru I wanna too know do u know what game style Ida Krause plays ?, I saw an Video an she seem too be an Counterpuncher
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No, I haven't seen her play but counterpuncher seems to be her game style from what I've heard.
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Sorry for posting in Danish, it's a bit lenghty and too complicated to translate. I can add a summary, if anyone's interested. It's about the Long Term Athlete Development introduced in Danish Tennis this season.


Aldersrelateret træningskoncept

I Danmark er man ved at implementere aldersrelateret træningskoncept (ATK) inden for en lang række sportsgrene - også tennis. I samarbejde med de enkelte forbund er Team Danmark i færd med at indføre ATk inden for 22 sportsgrene. Mange forbund har allerede implementeret ATK fuldt ud (fx fodbold, badminton, håndbold, svømning), mens tennis skal først til at begynde netop nu.

Baggrunden for ATK er bl.a., at man ønsker at minimere frafaldet af de unge talenter, og i stedet bevare dem længst muligt inden for sporten. Det har nemlig vist sig, at en alt for stor turneringsaktivitet i en tidlig alder øger risikoen for at senior-karrieren bliver kort eller fyldt med skader. Selvfølgelig er der også rigtig mange eksempler på, at man kan have en stor og aktiv juniorkarriere, og samtidig også en stor seniorkarriere (fx Wozniacki). Men statistisk set øges risikoen for at karrien bliver kort, når turneringsmængden er stor i juniorårene.

Et eksempel på en spiller med en delvist ødelagt seniorkarriere var Lina Krasnoroutskaya, som vel har været en af de bedste juniorspillere verden har set. Hun var rangeret som nr. 1 i verden flere år i træk allerede som U12 og U14 spiller på et tidspunkt hvor både Henin og Clijsters også var markante spillere på juniorscenen (begge også blandt verdens bedste juniorer!). Krasnoroutskaya var også nr. 1 på ITF's juniorrangliste (U18), men hun fik aldrig rigtig gang i sin professionelle karriere, som var plaget af skader. Der er ingen tvivl om, at talentet var til stede, og hun nåede op som nr. 25 på WTA, men hun vandt aldrig nogen titler, og fik desværre en alt for kort karriere.

Man kunne også nævne Karen Barbat som et eksempel på et karriereforløb, som strider imod ATK's principper. Allerede mens hun stadig var U14-spiller deltog hun i sin første pro-turnering, og hun udviklede sig hurtigt til en ret god og meget aktiv turneringsspiller. I kalenderåret 2007, dvs. fra hun var 14½ til 15½ år, spillede hun 17 internationale juniorturneringer, 5 professionelle turneringer, foruden en Fed Cup kamp og en række danske turneringer, herunder klubkampe, danske mesterskaber (hvor hun var finalist ved seniorernes ude-DM allerede før hun fyldte 15) osv.

En af filosofierne bag ATK er bl.a., at træning og turneringsaktivitet skal være tilpasset hinanden, og at der skal foregå en konstant udvikling hele vejen gennem ungdomskarrieren op til man er 20 år eller måske mere. Det ikke et mål at man skal toppe allerede som 12-14 årig. Det er vigtigere, at man er i stand til at fortsætte udviklingen! Karen Barbat slog fx Bojana Jovanovski 6-3 6-2 allerede i 2007 (Bojana er endda ældre end Karen). Men hvor Jovanovski nu har bevæget sig op blandt de 40 bedste i verden, ligger Barbat stadig omkring nr. 600, hvor hun stort set har ligget i 6 år. Det er ikke for at hænge Karen ud, jeg nævner hende. Hun har haft en svær og delvist skadesplaget karriere, og hun kæmper tappert videre og fortjener al mulig opbakning. Men hun er et godt eksempel på et karriereforløb, som ATK søger undgå (selv om hendes turneringsaktivitet i U12-U16 årene ikke har været meget anderledes end Wozniackis). Der er desværre rigtig mange lignende historier - både i international tennis og herhjemme. Simone Alipieva kunne måske også nævnes som én, hvor turneringsaktiviteten ikke har været hensigtsmæssig efter ATK's principper?

Jeg tror absolut, at ATK er vejen frem! Dansk Tennis Forbund vil fx nu indføre den regel, at man kun må spille 20 individuelle turneringer i DK pr. år. Det hilser jeg velkommen. Før var nogle spillere tilbøjelige til at prioritere turneringsdeltagelse frem for træning og udvikling af teknik, taktik, fysik og så videre. Samtidig havde vi også et ranglistesystem, som belønnede flittig turneringsaktivitet, idet ALLE turneringspoint talte med på ranglisten - også hvis man spillede fx 40 turneringer om året! I det netop nyindførte ranglistesystem er det kun de 10 bedste individuelle turneringsresultater, der tæller med, hvilket er et stort spring fremad.

For de bedste elitejuniorer vil begrænsningerne i turneringsaktivitet måske ikke have så stor effekt, da det stadig vil være tilladt for dem at deltage i internationale turneringer ad libitum. Men for de næstbedste tror jeg, det vil være gavnligt, idet der nu er desto mere grund til at fokusere på træning. Jeg håber det kan styrke bredden i dansk tennis, og også få pigerne og drengene til at bevare deres karriere i lidt længere tid. Og det er muligt at forbedre sig væsentligt - selv efter man er fyldt 18. Det er der heldigvis mange eksempler på i toppen af verdenstennis. I øvrigt har Piotr Wozniacki jo antydet, at Carolines mange øvrige aktiviteter og forpligtelser som nummer 1 har hindret hende i at træne og forberede sig optimalt, hvorimod hendes modstandere har kunnet træne videre uhæmmet. Den holdning, hvis den er rigtig, understreger tydeligt at udvikling er noget der hele tiden bør foregå.

ATK er kun et af mange nye tiltag i dansk tennis. Et andet er den nye og meget omdiskuterede rene kvinde-division for holdkampe. Bedre og mere målrettede juniorturneringer er et tredje tiltag. Og sammen med nogle flere professionelle turneringer i Danmark (forhåbentlig også for kvinder i 2014) tror jeg, at alle disse ting kan være med til at løfte dansk tennis de kommende år.
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There's a couple of International tournaments in Denmark next week (qualies this weekend):

TE Birkerød 2013 (U14 & U16)

ITF Odense 2013 (G4)

Lots of Danish girls participating at both tournaments. The Birkerød U16 is somewhat 2nd grade, because the best U16 girls will be at the Odense ITF. Good luck!
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Sorry for posting in Danish, it's a bit lenghty and too complicated to translate. I can add a summary, if anyone's interested. It's about the Long Term Athlete Development introduced in Danish Tennis this season.


Aldersrelateret træningskoncept

I Danmark er man ved at implementere aldersrelateret træningskoncept (ATK) inden for en lang række sportsgrene - også tennis. I samarbejde med de enkelte forbund er Team Danmark i færd med at indføre ATk inden for 22 sportsgrene. Mange forbund har allerede implementeret ATK fuldt ud (fx fodbold, badminton, håndbold, svømning), mens tennis skal først til at begynde netop nu.

Baggrunden for ATK er bl.a., at man ønsker at minimere frafaldet af de unge talenter, og i stedet bevare dem længst muligt inden for sporten. Det har nemlig vist sig, at en alt for stor turneringsaktivitet i en tidlig alder øger risikoen for at senior-karrieren bliver kort eller fyldt med skader. Selvfølgelig er der også rigtig mange eksempler på, at man kan have en stor og aktiv juniorkarriere, og samtidig også en stor seniorkarriere (fx Wozniacki). Men statistisk set øges risikoen for at karrien bliver kort, når turneringsmængden er stor i juniorårene.

Et eksempel på en spiller med en delvist ødelagt seniorkarriere var Lina Krasnoroutskaya, som vel har været en af de bedste juniorspillere verden har set. Hun var rangeret som nr. 1 i verden flere år i træk allerede som U12 og U14 spiller på et tidspunkt hvor både Henin og Clijsters også var markante spillere på juniorscenen (begge også blandt verdens bedste juniorer!). Krasnoroutskaya var også nr. 1 på ITF's juniorrangliste (U18), men hun fik aldrig rigtig gang i sin professionelle karriere, som var plaget af skader. Der er ingen tvivl om, at talentet var til stede, og hun nåede op som nr. 25 på WTA, men hun vandt aldrig nogen titler, og fik desværre en alt for kort karriere.

Man kunne også nævne Karen Barbat som et eksempel på et karriereforløb, som strider imod ATK's principper. Allerede mens hun stadig var U14-spiller deltog hun i sin første pro-turnering, og hun udviklede sig hurtigt til en ret god og meget aktiv turneringsspiller. I kalenderåret 2007, dvs. fra hun var 14½ til 15½ år, spillede hun 17 internationale juniorturneringer, 5 professionelle turneringer, foruden en Fed Cup kamp og en række danske turneringer, herunder klubkampe, danske mesterskaber (hvor hun var finalist ved seniorernes ude-DM allerede før hun fyldte 15) osv.

En af filosofierne bag ATK er bl.a., at træning og turneringsaktivitet skal være tilpasset hinanden, og at der skal foregå en konstant udvikling hele vejen gennem ungdomskarrieren op til man er 20 år eller måske mere. Det ikke et mål at man skal toppe allerede som 12-14 årig. Det er vigtigere, at man er i stand til at fortsætte udviklingen! Karen Barbat slog fx Bojana Jovanovski 6-3 6-2 allerede i 2007 (Bojana er endda ældre end Karen). Men hvor Jovanovski nu har bevæget sig op blandt de 40 bedste i verden, ligger Barbat stadig omkring nr. 600, hvor hun stort set har ligget i 6 år. Det er ikke for at hænge Karen ud, jeg nævner hende. Hun har haft en svær og delvist skadesplaget karriere, og hun kæmper tappert videre og fortjener al mulig opbakning. Men hun er et godt eksempel på et karriereforløb, som ATK søger undgå (selv om hendes turneringsaktivitet i U12-U16 årene ikke har været meget anderledes end Wozniackis). Der er desværre rigtig mange lignende historier - både i international tennis og herhjemme. Simone Alipieva kunne måske også nævnes som én, hvor turneringsaktiviteten ikke har været hensigtsmæssig efter ATK's principper?

Jeg tror absolut, at ATK er vejen frem! Dansk Tennis Forbund vil fx nu indføre den regel, at man kun må spille 20 individuelle turneringer i DK pr. år. Det hilser jeg velkommen. Før var nogle spillere tilbøjelige til at prioritere turneringsdeltagelse frem for træning og udvikling af teknik, taktik, fysik og så videre. Samtidig havde vi også et ranglistesystem, som belønnede flittig turneringsaktivitet, idet ALLE turneringspoint talte med på ranglisten - også hvis man spillede fx 40 turneringer om året! I det netop nyindførte ranglistesystem er det kun de 10 bedste individuelle turneringsresultater, der tæller med, hvilket er et stort spring fremad.

For de bedste elitejuniorer vil begrænsningerne i turneringsaktivitet måske ikke have så stor effekt, da det stadig vil være tilladt for dem at deltage i internationale turneringer ad libitum. Men for de næstbedste tror jeg, det vil være gavnligt, idet der nu er desto mere grund til at fokusere på træning. Jeg håber det kan styrke bredden i dansk tennis, og også få pigerne og drengene til at bevare deres karriere i lidt længere tid. Og det er muligt at forbedre sig væsentligt - selv efter man er fyldt 18. Det er der heldigvis mange eksempler på i toppen af verdenstennis. I øvrigt har Piotr Wozniacki jo antydet, at Carolines mange øvrige aktiviteter og forpligtelser som nummer 1 har hindret hende i at træne og forberede sig optimalt, hvorimod hendes modstandere har kunnet træne videre uhæmmet. Den holdning, hvis den er rigtig, understreger tydeligt at udvikling er noget der hele tiden bør foregå.

ATK er kun et af mange nye tiltag i dansk tennis. Et andet er den nye og meget omdiskuterede rene kvinde-division for holdkampe. Bedre og mere målrettede juniorturneringer er et tredje tiltag. Og sammen med nogle flere professionelle turneringer i Danmark (forhåbentlig også for kvinder i 2014) tror jeg, at alle disse ting kan være med til at løfte dansk tennis de kommende år.
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For lettere å unngå skader, er man nødt til å trene fysisk ved siden av tennisspillet. Det er ikke noe mål i å få spillerne til å spille færre turneringer, målet bør være å få de til å tid til å trene mer basistrening/grunntrening for å forbedre styrke, spenst og smidighet (eller hva det nu heter på dansk!)
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For lettere å unngå skader, er man nødt til å trene fysisk ved siden av tennisspillet. Det er ikke noe mål i å få spillerne til å spille færre turneringer, målet bør være å få de til å tid til å trene mer basistrening/grunntrening for å forbedre styrke, spenst og smidighet (eller hva det nu heter på dansk!)
Thanks to you too for reading along. I'll reply in English this time though so international posters (if any?) won't feel completely unwelcome here

What you say is of course true. Practice/training is definetely an important part of the equation which is somehow not stressed clearly in my post (but needs to be stressed!). The number of tournaments is not important in itself. However, the more you play (matches/tournaments), the less time you have for training/practice. The key issue with ATK (LTAD in English) is really to balance training and match play properly. And this must always be done with consideration to the player's age: ITF, for instance, recommends that U12 players shouldn't play more than 50 or 60 matches per year.

The main reason for my somewhat misleading focus on tournaments as such is of course that The Danish Tennis Federation will enforce a dramatic change of the rules and their ranking system regarding allowed number of tournaments played. This was what led me to write the post in the first place.
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ATK seems like a policy for "the many" rather than the "special ones". Hopefully the idea is for general protection during development, but that human consideration can be applied for dispensation to those who are naturally more able and suited to a traditional approach? I imagine the more pushy will just move/play elsewhere?
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I don't think an elite player in Denmark is affected very much. She (or he) can play just as many international tournaments they want to. No restricions (except pro tournaments, which I'll come back to in a minute). But any coach or parent can of course use whatever training approach he or she finds suitable for their player. ATK is not a law of nature; it's an approch you can choose to use or not. It's based on well-documened studies but any other approach could in theory give just as good results - or even better. It's just a matter of belief.

But ATK seems sensible to me. WTA, for instance, have changed their age eligibility rules several times over the years and made these increasingly restrictive. A decade or two ago, the WTA was dominated by teenagers, but these teenagers didn't last long. Now there has been change with several women peaking well into their 20's or even late 20's (like Schiavone or Li Na). This is not an incidental occurrence; it is the result of a well planned and deliberate policy of WTA and ITF to lenghten the careers of the tennis players! Remember, also Wozniacki was affected by the age eligibility rules when she started playing as a pro (rules that were much differnet than when Hingis, for instance, was starting out as a pro).

Let's have a look at the Danish situation. 2 weeks ago there were the Sealand Championships (Sjællandske mesterskaber) in DK. The U12 tournament had 71 girls on the entry list; U14 had 89 girls; U16 had 45 girls while U18 had only 8 girls! This means that the U18 draw was less than 10% the size of the U14 draw!

Often the U18 tournaments in Denmark have to be cancelled because of lack of players. The girls quit tennis before they're 18! There are many obvious reasons for this besides playing too much: they move away from home; find a boyfriend, start studying or work, or simply realize that they're not getting anywhere with their tennis career. Or, quite simply, they're disappointed that they're not producing the same results as when they were 12 or 14. But we must do everything we can to keep as many of these girls as possible within tennis. Extend their active career. It is believed that ATK helps in this respect. The tennis clubs and the Danish tennis league won't work if all the talented girls quit tennis at 16. And there's also a Fed Cup Team that needs to be nurtured with new talents.

Will ATK have any immediate impact on, say, Emilie Francati's career? Probably not (most likely not!). Will it have any positive effect on the number of good female +18 tennis players in Denmark in, say, 6 or 8 years from now? Hopefully, but we can't know for sure! It's worth a try. The results from other sports which have used ATK for some years looks promising.
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ITF Odense 2013 (Danish results)

1R
Martina Malmqvist (SWE) d. Sofie Boers (DEN) 62 62
(8) Simone Alipieva (DEN) d. Jessica Crivelletto (SUI) 63 64
Jade Lewis (NZL) d. Emilie Haakansson (DEN) 62 61
(5) Emilie Francati (DEN) vs. bye
Vera Lapko (BLR) d. (9) Julie Noe (DEN) 62 61
Emma Haakansson (DEN) d. Laura Reid (IRL) 76(4) 64
(7) Emma Rønholt (DEN) vs. bye
Juliane Triebe (GER) d. (11) Ulrikke Høyer (DEN) 64 26 75

2R
(8) Simone Alipieva (DEN) d. Carolina Lewis (NZL) 62 62
(5) Emilie Francati (DEN) d. Nagisa Nishimura (JPN) 62 62
(16) Linnea Malmqvist (SWE) d. Emma Haakansson (DEN) 6-2 6-0
(7) Emma Rønholt (DEN) d. Kaede Amano (JPN) 63 61

3R
Angela Kulikov (USA) d. (8) Simone Alipieva (DEN) 60 60
(5) Emilie Francati (DEN) d. Natalya Malenko (UKR) 62 63
(7) Emma Rønholt (DEN) d. Juliane Triebe (GER) 62 62

QF
(5) Emilie Francati (DEN) d. (13) Emma Christine Higuchi (USA) 62 36 61
Barbora Miklova (CZE) d. (7) Emma Rønholt (DEN) 61 60


Francati Bad scoreline for Rønholt in the QF but still a good tournament (easy win against Juliane Triebe - the girl who defeated Ulrikke in R1) . Julie Noe and Ulrikke can't be happy with a 1st round loss. I have no idea what has happened to Simone since 2011. She's in a slump of Wozniackian proportions. Keep working! You'll get there!

It's a pity, though, that the best Danish girls are not playing doubles in Odense. Rønholt/Francati have played three ITF doubles tournaments as a team in 2013 - winning two titles. Simone Alipieva has won three ITF doubles titles in 2013 (two with Ulrikke Høyer). And Ulrikke has one more final besides her two double titles with Simone in 2013. There are only four ITF junior tournaments in Denmark each year; surely we would expect them to play doubles on home soil? Yet the most succesful doubles girls are not playing doubles in Odense? Simone/Ulrikke or Francati/Rønholt would probably be favourites to take the title. Weird.

Emilie Francati is up against (1) Priscilla Hon (AUS) in the SF. Will be tough. Good luck
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ITF Odense 2013

SF

(1) Priscilla Hon (AUS) d. (5) Emilie Francati (DEN) 76(7) 75

So close!
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Are there more junior events in Denmark anytime soon?
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There was a Tennis Europe tournament in Birkerød this week (U14 & U16)


U14 summary
Sofie Bjerringgaard was unseeded but had an impressive run winning four matches until she lost 5-7 6-3 6-1 in the semi final. Ida Krause, Hannah Møller, Rebekka Hillingsø, and Elena Jamshidi all won their 1st round matches but lost R2.

Sofie Bjerringgaard/Ida Krause reached the doubles final (to be played today), and Helena Francati/Rebekka Hillingsø reached the semi final.


U16 summary
The best Danish U16 girls were playing at the Odense ITF this week but Sille Tranberg did a good job in Birkerød reaching the semi final where she lost a close match 6-3 7-6(7) to the 2nd seeded Russian girl. All other Danish U16 girls lost in R1 or R2. Sille Tranberg has become a really good player although she was never among the elite juniors in Denmark. Her form has been remarkable lately. She was also the best Danish U16 girl at another Tennis Europe tournament in Denmark back in May, where she also reached the SF.

The doubles tournament saw another good performance by Sille, as she and her twin sister, Emma Tranberg, reached the final (to be played today). They're up against a Danish-Swedish team, Sidsel Dahl Pehrson (DEN)/Hana Sisirak (SWE).

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