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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #121
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Well, perhaps Aga and Monfils have a fighting chance
These guys and their whacked parameters.
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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #122
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I don't understand why people keep comparing Serena to Roger. It's not a relevant comparison because they're on different tours. If anyone that's gaining on Roger, it should be Rafael Nadal who's sitting at #12. Is 5 more Roland Garros possible? Possibly depending on his knee. Even if you compare Serena with Roger, Serena isn't owned by anyone in her era, and that will forever taint Federer's legacy. Fed's era before a Nadal or Djokovic exploded onto the scene consisted of Roddick and Hewitt. That's quite a weak era compared to Serena. The one thing that Serena and Nadal also has over Fed is a career golden slam.
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especially when she was almost crying when Sveta was giving her a lesson of claytennis
too bad you don't get to walk away with the trophy for giving someone a lesson in clay court tennis while still losing....oh well, such is life
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I don't think Serena's competition is as tough as Federer's
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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #125
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I don't think Serena's competition is as tough as Federer's
That's beyond laughable. Before Nadal learned how to adjust his game to grass and hardcourts and Djokovic decided to get serious and fit with his game, Fed's competition was Roddick and Hewitt. Serena had Capriati, Hingis, Davenport, Venus, Belgians, and now Sharapova and Azarenka.
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I don't think Serena's competition is as tough as Federer's
Federer doesn't have competition, he is the competition and has been since 2010. There's a big difference in that Serena is actually currently dominating. If we talk about Federer's competition we need to talk about when he dominated, i.e. 2004-2007 and 2009.
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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 11:04 PM   #127
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I don't think Serena's competition is as tough as Federer's
We're all waiting on the rest of your post.

I'm assuming here because...

A) There's no 'Period' indicating sentence conclusion,
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B) You didn't provide a single reason to support your belief.

Now, take your time and be thorough, okay?
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We're all waiting on the rest of your post.

I'm assuming here because...

A) there's no 'Period' indicating sentence conclusion,
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B) You didn't provide a single reason to support your belief.

Now, take you time and be thorough, okay?
I think h/she thought about it for a long time and couldn't figure out the reason why, but kept on believing it without reasons. Or maybe h/she is new to tennis and only know of Serena's competition being Sharapova and Azarenka.
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Please see last sentence my signature.
Haha yeah. I knew Serena has done it, but Fed never.
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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #130
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Re: SI: BEST EVER: Serena Gaining On Federer In Debate

Not again with this comparison.
The men's game is way more technical and physical. The better/best men's player will always be rated higher than the women's.

And yes, Novak is way better/more complete than Serena will ever be, much less Roger.
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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #131
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I think h/she thought about it for a long time and couldn't figure out the reason why, but kept on believing it without reasons. Or maybe h/she is new to tennis and only know of Serena's competition being Sharapova and Azarenka.
I get the feeling that he/she is new as well, and wanted to extend a helping hand.

Would do no good for new member to get swallowed up by us voracious veterans of the board.
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Haha yeah. I knew Serena has done it, but Fed never.
That's cuz Fed ain't all dat.

Plus, it's just as you note---
He doesn't even possess a Golden Slam distinction.
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Old Jun 12th, 2013, 11:25 PM   #132
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Re: SI: BEST EVER: Serena Gaining On Federer In Debate

OMG, reading some of the responses to the genesis of this thread makes it quit apparent of the lack of proper reading comprehension among so many of posters here. It is quite pitiful that so many of you interpreted the SI article as a simple normal comparison of an Orange (Roger Federer) to an Apple (Serena Williams) as if the Orange and Apple are the same and are comparable.

Rather, the writer of the SI piece says that both Roger Federer and Serena Williams, (who by the way, are each still active players), are each in a separate race to achieve the honor of the best-ever (GOAT) in “their respective League.”(ATP/WTA). Furthermore, the author implies that Roger Federer is further along in his race than Serena is in hers, but that with her RG triumph Serena is gaining on Federer in her race to where he is at in his. The comparison made in the article is not one of comparing a male player with a female player, but rather an integral comparison of two separate races of male and female for the male GOAT and female GOAT respectively. He said each of them are the “best of their generation” and let there be men’s best of his generation and a women’s best of her generation and see how it looks five years from now.

It is simplified like this:

Roger Federer the orange is in a race of oranges contending to be considered (and in some quarters he is already the clear cut best-ever) the GOAT among the best oranges of the history of the ATP, if he is not there already. Whereas, Serena Williams is in a race of apples contending to be considered the GOAT among the best apples of the history of the WTA; in his opinion she is not there yet, but “the needle for best ever has kept moving”.

Then, the author proceeded in giving a comparison of what Roger brings to his race and what Serena brings to her race with four distinct categories:- “the numbers, the competition, technique, and the intangibles”. The author gave “the numbers” category outright to the Federer race. He gave “the competition” category a toss-up rating, because “[While Federer confronts the frightening proposition of easing toward retirement against Nadal, Djokovic and maybe a half-dozen big hitters capable of taking him down at any time, Serena has no rivals, no worthy challengers. If she won the next four majors without losing a set, no one would be the slightest bit surprised]” although, “[For Williams, the toughest challenges came early -- starting with the formidable Martina Hingis, outclassed by the 17-year-old Serena in the 1999 U.S. Open final. Serena had to deal with Jennifer Capriati, Lindsay Davenport, Kim Clijsters, Hingis, Justine Henin,[Amelie Mauresmo], Arantxa Sanchez Vicario and her own sister Venus, each of whom held the No. 1 ranking and did so fiercely, as opposed to the flighty Dinara Safina, Jelena Jankovic Ana Ivanovic and Caroline Wozniacki in contemporary times]”. He gave basically a tie to each race with “the technique” category. And, he out rightly gave Serena’s race the “the intangibles” category.

The Author concluded with a “Conclusion” – “Not a clear call”, but if pressed he will go with Federer [race to the GOAT], due to 16 majors in 27 tries as the essential piece of information.

The SI article is not a comparison of apples with oranges. It a comparison of the race among oranges with oranges and the race among apples with apples for the GOAT honors in each respective league.
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Serena has held all FOUR Grand Slams at the same time, something that Roger has never done. *MIC DROP*
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The Author concluded with a “Conclusion” – “Not a clear call”, but if pressed he will go with Federer [race to the GOAT], due to 16 majors in 27 tries as the essential piece of information.
Is the article worthy and how important for us should be opinion of the author if he is making such factual mistakes?
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The SI article is not a comparison of apples with oranges. It a comparison of the race among oranges with oranges and the race among apples with apples.
Which is still comparing the men to the women, which will always be a failing proposition for the women.
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