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Old May 10th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #1486
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Meni je jasno da ženski sport nikada neće biti popularan kao muški i sa tim sam se odavno pomirila, ali kod nas se totalno preteruje. Nisu samo Jelena i Ana u toj poziciji, tu su recimo i odbojkašice. Kad pobeđuju, onda su naš ponos, lepotice i gracije, kad gube, onda su guske i glupače koje samo misle na onu stvar - setimo se komentara u toku Olimpijade. No dobro, na njih makar neko i obraća pažnju, nisu kao mučene košarkašice za koje ama baš nikog nije briga. Ili rukometašice, ja sam bila užasno ogorčena kad su onolike naše igračice otišle da igraju za Crnu Goru (pa onda i osvojile srebro na OI i zlato na EP!), ali opet - sve one kažu da su u CG voljene, cenjene i poštovane, dok u Srbiji niko ne bi znao ko su. I jbg, šta da kaže čovek, stvarno je tako.
Bila sam u Crnoj Gori na moru tokom Olimpijade, te devojke su imale bogovski tretman. Bila sam u nekom kafiću, svi su buljili u TV tokom polufinala, navijali i vrištali. Onaj neki klavijaturista je prekidao svoj muzički program na svakih pet minuta kako bi nas sve obavestio o trenutnom rezultatu. Dok je pevao, sve vreme je buljio u TV.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 12:17 AM   #1487
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Pre nekako, ne znam da li je bio Majami, komentator na 92 kaže ovako "Trenutni rezultat na meču Šarapova - Suarez Navoro je taj i taj, ali kada bi vas uopšte taj rezultat zanimao da posle njih ne igra Đoković"
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Ja sam na sličnu temu pisao nešto.... Pa da se ne bih ponavljao ovde, nek pročita ko hoće
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Pre nekako, ne znam da li je bio Majami, komentator na 92 kaže ovako "Trenutni rezultat na meču Šarapova - Suarez Navoro je taj i taj, ali kada bi vas uopšte taj rezultat zanimao da posle njih ne igra Đoković"
Strašno!!! Nemam reči stvarno, pa da sam to čuo zvao bih istog momenta uredništvo B92. Jel oni to potcenjuju istinske fanove tenisa? Nisam znao da tenis postoji samo dok igra Novak.
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Ja sam na sličnu temu pisao nešto.... Pa da se ne bih ponavljao ovde, nek pročita ko hoće
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U stvari, ja mislim da nije toliko problem u ,,običnim'' navijačima (u smislu ljudi koji navijaju za naše sportiste ili timove čisto iz razonode, a ne jer pomno prate i/ili igraju neki konkretan sport). Oni će uvek biti isti - dok je neko na vrhu, obožavaće ga, kad potone, zaboraviće ga, jer oni traže razonodu i radost, a njih donosi samo uspeh. Međutim, način na koji mediji tretiraju naše sportiste koji su nekad bili na vrhu ili blizu vrha, a onda ili potpuno pali ili samo malo posrnuli, stvarno je debilan i nefer, kao što si i sam napisao. Ako je neko sportski novinar, onda valjda treba da prati i poznaje sportove o kojima izveštava i koje komentariše, a samim tim i pamti i poštuje uspehe koje su sportisti ostvarivali. Ali sportski novinari su nam kao i svi ostali novinari - blago retardirani, a isto važi i za ukupne uređivačke politike naših novina.
E, da. A to kako naši mediji tretiraju žene, to je tek posebna priča. Naslov: ,,Babu zgazio tramvaj'' i ispod tekst: ,,Mica Micić (55) prelazila je ulicu...'' Ali taman da je imala i 105 godina, kako mogu da napišu ,,baba''???? E tako isto izgleda kod nas tretiraju is portistkinje - ima da su mlade, lepe, smerne i najbolje, inače su babe, kurve i bolje da su se udale nego što nas brukaju...
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Old May 10th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #1491
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Da pogađam, verovatnoća da je u Kuriru izašao taj naslov je 99 posto, ili ih potcenjujem? 100 posto je Kurir. Dno, šta reći. Ja bih na te "novine" stavio katanac. Mada, ima još nekoliko listova koji su sve sličniji njima.

Ja nisam mogao da verujem da su pred finale FED Kupa u novembru na RTS napravili uvod od samo 10 minuta razgovora sa Anom Jovanović i tako i odjavu od par minuta sa njom. Svaka čast njoj, ali zar nisu mogli da se potrude i dovedu i druge teniske stručnjake i naprave celu tu emisiju malo konstruktivnijom? Hej, prvi put u istoriji Srbija u finalu FED-a a oni u studio dovedu samo bivšu reprezentativku i novinara koji se vidno slabo razume u ženski tenis.
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Old May 10th, 2013, 10:38 AM   #1492
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Da pogađam, verovatnoća da je u Kuriru izašao taj naslov je 99 posto, ili ih potcenjujem? 100 posto je Kurir. Dno, šta reći. Ja bih na te "novine" stavio katanac. Mada, ima još nekoliko listova koji su sve sličniji njima.
I ja sam jedno 99% sigurna da jeste bio Kurir, ali se više ne sećam jer sam tad radila u nekoj novinskoj agenciji pa smo dobijali svu živu dnevnu štampu. Ne znam da li sva ta čuda još uvek izlaze, ali bilo ih je nekoliko jednako jezivih.

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Ja nisam mogao da verujem da su pred finale FED Kupa u novembru na RTS napravili uvod od samo 10 minuta razgovora sa Anom Jovanović i tako i odjavu od par minuta sa njom. Svaka čast njoj, ali zar nisu mogli da se potrude i dovedu i druge teniske stručnjake i naprave celu tu emisiju malo konstruktivnijom? Hej, prvi put u istoriji Srbija u finalu FED-a a oni u studio dovedu samo bivšu reprezentativku i novinara koji se vidno slabo razume u ženski tenis.
Pa verovatno nisu ni imali nekog koji se razume. Iz ovog što može da s epročita u novinama ili čuje tokom prenosa, moj jedini zaključak je da ti novinari komentatori izaberu za koga navijaju (obično neka mlada i zgodnjikava, Voznijacki je jedno vreme bila apsolutni favorit onog nekog mentola sa ES-a ), i onda ta ako pobeđuje, dive joj se, a a ko gubi, čude se što gubi kad je inače prefantastična.
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Ovo mi sve zvuci nekako feministicki.
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Ovo mi sve zvuci nekako feministicki.


Moram prizanti da i ja ponekad ovako ^ vidim ženski sport, ali ja sam privatno lice, pa mi se može, ali novinari stvarno ne bi smeli tako da ga komentarišu i tretiraju. Al' kao što rekoh - kakvi novinari, takve i pisanije.

Mada, opet, mislim da su Serena i Šarapova psihički jače od bilo koga sa ATP tura.
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Pa nisu samo takvi novinari i "srpski poznavaoci sporta" koji komentarišu samo prema sportistkinjama, nego i prema nekim sportistima, pogledajte kakvi su prema Viktoru, kako su se poneli prema Mikecu nakon LOI i razni drugi primeri...
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Slažem se, ali mislim da su Ana i Jelena pretrpele najžešću nepravdu, u smislu odnosa novinara i celokupne javnosti prema njima u prethodnim godinama.
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Bukvalno ne verujem. Msm realno pesma je bila ok, kostimi KATASTROFA (Ana Ljubinkovic cao zdravo), ali prosto mi je tako cudno da nismo prosli, msm uvek prolazimo, pa cak smo i sa onom sto je pevala " Covek je Caroban " (nemogo joj se imena setiti). Realno mi je bas glupo jer gledam ES samo za Srbiju....
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U stvari, ja mislim da nije toliko problem u ,,običnim'' navijačima (u smislu ljudi koji navijaju za naše sportiste ili timove čisto iz razonode, a ne jer pomno prate i/ili igraju neki konkretan sport). Oni će uvek biti isti - dok je neko na vrhu, obožavaće ga, kad potone, zaboraviće ga, jer oni traže razonodu i radost, a njih donosi samo uspeh. Međutim, način na koji mediji tretiraju naše sportiste koji su nekad bili na vrhu ili blizu vrha, a onda ili potpuno pali ili samo malo posrnuli, stvarno je debilan i nefer, kao što si i sam napisao. Ako je neko sportski novinar, onda valjda treba da prati i poznaje sportove o kojima izveštava i koje komentariše, a samim tim i pamti i poštuje uspehe koje su sportisti ostvarivali. Ali sportski novinari su nam kao i svi ostali novinari - blago retardirani, a isto važi i za ukupne uređivačke politike naših novina.
E, da. A to kako naši mediji tretiraju žene, to je tek posebna priča. Naslov: ,,Babu zgazio tramvaj'' i ispod tekst: ,,Mica Micić (55) prelazila je ulicu...'' Ali taman da je imala i 105 godina, kako mogu da napišu ,,baba''???? E tako isto izgleda kod nas tretiraju is portistkinje - ima da su mlade, lepe, smerne i najbolje, inače su babe, kurve i bolje da su se udale nego što nas brukaju...
Fantastičan komentar, nisi morala da se pravdaš uopšte. Položaj žena u svetu je još uvek loš, da ne pričam o Srbiji. Pogledaj samo ženske časopise i sve ti je jasno. Kako skinuti deset kilograma za tri minuta, kako oduševiti muškarca u krevetu (500 novih poza i erogenih zona koje niste otkrile), kako skuvati najbolji kupus, kako savršeno ofarbati jaja, kako se ušlihtati njegovoj kevi i ortacima, kako uterati kurac ljubomornoj koleginici, kako naći pravo rumenilo i karmin... Čak i kad preporuče neku knjigu, to je tipa "Zašto muškarci vole guzate žene?", a od muzike će preporučiti neke žalopojke od Adele i sl. Muški časopisi jesu prepuni slika golih riba, ali ima i nekih pristojnih tekstova. Ja sam više volela da čitam CKM nego Lepotu i zdravlje. Nemaš šta da pročitaš u tim novinama, polovinu čine smešni tekstovi, a drugu polovinu čine reklame za liposukciju i otklanjanje akni i strija. Ta, ideš!

Naš žargon je posebna priča. Kad uzmeš malo detaljnije da proučavaš, nema šanse da ti promakne koliko je više pogrdnih reči za žene u odnosu na pogrdne reči za muškarce. Čućeš veoma često da nekoga nazovu babetinom, a slična reč za muškarca i ne postoji. Dedurda? I to je vrlo retko. Naslovi u crnoj hronici su posebna priča, toliko nasilja nad ženama, a svi se prave ludi. Još neko dođe i prdi o ženama kako su zadrte feministkinje koje umišljaju ne znam ti ni ja šta. Brate, hoću samo normalan život. Da imam isto pravo na posao kao muškarac, da imam istu platu, da me niko ne šutne kad zatražim porodiljsko, da se ne kuvam pored pegle i šporeta dok neko drugi gleda fudbal i tuče pivo. Hoću i ja da gledam fudbal i pijem pivo. Setila sam se drugarice koja je skoro postala mama. Njen muž neće da priđe usranom detetu jer je gadljiv i misli da se žene tu bolje snalaze, njima je to prirodnije. Jeste, ona sve peva i cveta dok malom briše dupe. Glupost.

Inače, naša pesma je užasna, nisu bile za finale.
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Užasno su izgledale, ali pesmica je bila skroz OK u poređenju sa ostatkom. Stvarno sam očekivala da ćemo proći.
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