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Old May 8th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #2626
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I hope it's Moyes so he can continue his massive trophyless streak

Being serious, Everton's playstyle is a more physical, less creative version of how Man United played when van Nistelrooy was there - get it quickly up to the big man and get the more skilled players around him to win the second balls and create chances. The players currently at Man United don't really suit that so it will be interesting to see what he does.
From a logical stand point I don't really get why Moyes is even in the frame for the Man Utd job. Even when he's been one of the favourites for years, I've always really wondered why, and even now his appointment seems imminent, I still wonder are we seriously appointing this guy who is so unproven. The stock for the Man Utd job is so high, yet we are seemingly about to appoint someone who on credentials shouldn't even be in the frame. I really think now was the time to be appointing someone who is proven quality, not taking risks on someone maybe being that man, really it seemed the perfect time to be appointing Mourinho.
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Old May 9th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #2627
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From a logical stand point I don't really get why Moyes is even in the frame for the Man Utd job. Even when he's been one of the favourites for years, I've always really wondered why, and even now his appointment seems imminent, I still wonder are we seriously appointing this guy who is so unproven. The stock for the Man Utd job is so high, yet we are seemingly about to appoint someone who on credentials shouldn't even be in the frame. I really think now was the time to be appointing someone who is proven quality, not taking risks on someone maybe being that man, really it seemed the perfect time to be appointing Mourinho.
Maybe he refused or contract negotiations failed? Btw, is he staying with Real? I am no out of the loop atm
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Maybe he refused or contract negotiations failed? Btw, is he staying with Real? I am no out of the loop atm
There is no way he refused. He has dropped about as many hints as possible that he wanted the Man Utd job (it's probably mainly interviews you haven't seen in Germany though). I highly doubt he stays with Real Madrid, he is currently the hot favourite to return to Chelsea.
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I see. I usually don't pay too much attention on these things until it's official anyway - perhaps a bit more when it concern my favourite clubs
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Old May 9th, 2013, 02:48 PM   #2630
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Moyes it is. As a Liverpool fan if it all goes wrong it will be doubly fun to see.
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I can't say I am not very disappointed. I guess I better give it a chance though. We could have had some of the proven best managers in the world, instead we take a risk on someone completely unproven at the top level. We may not have that opportunity in the future (as a Liverpool fan you will be fully aware of this ).
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Which managers could United have had, realistically? I know a lot of fans were asking for Klopp but he has repeatedly said he does not break contracts so he goes nowhere before 2016. Mourinho seems to be torn between Real and Chelsea so no real option either.

I think the hard truth is that even Manchester United can't freely pick people, they have to make do with who's available. Managers of other top flight clubs won't just drop everything just because a spot at another club opens up. Especially since SAF's retirement came so surprising.
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So apparently it's not official official yet.

There was a discussion on a liverpool site about the cult of the manager, the romantic notion of a man who will build a dynasty; when really what teams need is a manager who will do the best job for the club as it stands and will bring in the right people alongside him.

I wonder if he'll bring Baines and Fellaini. And Gibson and Anichebe
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Which managers could United have had, realistically? I know a lot of fans were asking for Klopp but he has repeatedly said he does not break contracts so he goes nowhere before 2016. Mourinho seems to be torn between Real and Chelsea so no real option either.

I think the hard truth is that even Manchester United can't freely pick people, they have to make do with who's available. Managers of other top flight clubs won't just drop everything just because a spot at another club opens up. Especially since SAF's retirement came so surprising.
I am near certain if we wanted Mourinho, we could have got him. Even the Chelsea fans tend to accept it is Man Utd he really wants to be at, his links with the Chelsea job are arising because he is kind of running out of options. He's alienated so many clubs over the years, you are kind of left with PSG or Chelsea, the main reason it's believed he doesn't want to go PSG is because outside of the Champions League it is zero challenge, it's too easy. It's been very noticeable over the years that Mourinho has never gone at Man Utd fans, he has never insulted the club, SAF. A few years ago it was widely reported that he was approached by Man City, but his people said he wasn't interested even entering in negotiations, strange for someone who seems to love having a big budget to spend. Recently we had a programmed called "Mourinho" here in the UK, on this all but admitted he would love the Man Utd job, he talked about looking for a club to settle down at, and there being a club in England that could offer this (wouldn't say that description fits Chelsea ), I believe he also dropped similar hints in US interviews. The final clincher for me were his whole actions around the Man Utd vs Real Madrid Champions League clash this year, he was giving so much over the top praise, acting so 'lovey-dovey' towards SAF and Man Utd, it was very over the top, and nearly everyone who saw it got the same impression, he was desperate for the Man Utd job.

Maybe I am very arrogant about the allure of the Man Utd job, imo the job after SAF left was going to be the most desirable job in club football (obviously I have a very biased and English perspective). I don't truly know who would have said yes, said no etc. I'm sure if we approached Guardiola before Bayern did, we could have got him. I know the club is claiming SAF only informed people a couple of days ago, but this imo has to be bs. I don't believe for a second we made the decision on our manager in 24 hours, there has to have been some degree of planning behind this.

It's not that I don't think Moyes is the right candidate, I don't even think he should have been anywhere near the list of candidates in the first place. For me the guy is just overrated, he has this stigma which is pushed by the media that he has done amazingly well on a small budget. Fact is in his reign he has spent the 7th highest amount of clubs in the Premier League, in the last 4 seasons he has come 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th. He has won zero trophies (others have won trophies on far smaller budgets than Moyes has). I see nothing special there, no big personality, nothing. In the UK imo we have this tendency of managers the media tend to adore and push for everything, and others who are not so liked and become scapegoats.

Finally to elaborate on a point I made before, this decision of manager is one of the biggest in the clubs history. It was never going to be easy for whoever followed SAF. With the way FFP is coming into football, and the unfortunate amount of leverage debt Man Utd have against the club, we can't afford even relative failure as a club. I think some people talk about how when SAF come in he had time to build. The big difference is, our club is in a much better state than it was in 1986, in 1986 the world wasn't our oyster, we didn't have the allure we have as a club now. I don't think trying to find the new SAF is or was ever going to be the right way about it, because I just don't see it happening.

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So Vika, Djokovic and Federer all went out early in Madrid. At least we can say she's in good company.

Bad loss for Roger's ranking.
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Fed isn't even going to be in the top 10 in the race after this week.
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If you want to torture yourself, there is a round 3 match Marion Bartoli vs Ekaterina Makarova going on: http://lsh.streamhunter.eu/static/po...977340930.html

Makarova just won the first set 6-3. We know who should be playing there...but maybe it's better for Rome and Roland Garros.
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The sad thing about the school system here is the schools just want to maximise their results, languages tend to be one of the hardest subjects, thus you often get discouraged from doing languages, and encouraged to drop them early. I only had lessons for languages for 3 years of my entire school life, and that was like an hour a week or something .

There has to be a link between first language being German and speaking fluent English lol , I don't know how you guys all do it, I find it fascinating .
I think the popularity of the English language is based on many cultural things rather than being just another school subject. For instance in Finland all the foreign films and tv-series are subtitled, and we have accustomed to hear English and some other foreign language on the daily base. Only some animation films that are made mainly for little children are dubbed in Finnish. I originally interested in English when I tried to figure out English music lyrics that were sung by classic rock bands. Besides computer programmes are usually as easy to use in English or in Finnish, and English paperback books are usually cheaper than Finnish translations.

When you live a small country like Finland, you know that most of foreigners probably don't understand Finnish. Then English is a very useful lingua franca if I need to talk with a Swede, a Russian or a Chinese. Only Esthonian language is relatively close to Finnish, and there are also lots of Finnish immigrants in Sweden. I have studied some Swedish and German too but they much weaker languages to me.

German as a language is very logical to pronounce and e.g. the German u-umlaut is pronounce in the same way as the Finnish letter Y, and there is a letter as the last letter in Finnish alphabeth.Like in the names of F1 driver Kimi Rikknen or tennis player Julia Grges. But the German grammar is more complicated comparing to English, e.,g. because a division of nouns and pronouns as masculine (der), feminine (die) and neuter (das). Like die Bundeskanzlerin, der Wagen, das Auto, etc.
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I think the popularity of the English language is based on many cultural things rather than being just another school subject. For instance in Finland all the foreign films and tv-series are subtitled, and we have accustomed to hear English and some other foreign language on the daily base. Only some animation films that are made mainly for little children are dubbed in Finnish. I originally interested in English when I tried to figure out English music lyrics that were sung by classic rock bands. Besides computer programmes are usually as easy to use in English or in Finnish, and English paperback books are usually cheaper than Finnish translations.

When you live a small country like Finland, you know that most of foreigners probably don't understand Finnish. Then English is a very useful lingua franca if I need to talk with a Swede, a Russian or a Chinese. Only Esthonian language is relatively close to Finnish, and there are also lots of Finnish immigrants in Sweden. I have studied some Swedish and German too but they much weaker languages to me.

German as a language is very logical to pronounce and e.g. the German u-umlaut is pronounce in the same way as the Finnish letter Y, and there is a letter as the last letter in Finnish alphabeth. Like in the names of F1 driver Kimi Rikknen or tennis player Julia Grges. But the German grammar is more complicated comparing to English, e.,g. because a division of nouns and pronouns as masculine (der), feminine (die) and neuter (das). Like die Bundeskanzlerin, der Wagen, das Auto, etc.
Well I guess in Finland you don't get everything made to suit your needs (in Finnish), thus you are kind of forced to learn some English.

I think in this country we just have this arrogant belief that there is no need to learn languages, because they know we can rely on others to speak our language. Obviously this belief is very lazy, but there is no real pressure to learn languages here. Another language is a life skill I would love to have, my language skills right now are basically I know key words (which is somewhat handy for restaurants and the like), but have no idea about sentence construction.
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Wow Murray is so bad on clay.
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