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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #31
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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Still calling it clay...
On a serious note, players don't change their game between clay courts. However, that doesn't change the fact that different clay surfaces will cause their game to have different effects which given your last sentence you seem to willfully ignore.
Clay in Rome already plays differently to Paris because of the different temperatures. Rome is hotter and drier making the surface faster and higher bouncing. But it is still clay. Just like Madrid is still clay and just like Serena still beat Maria in the only time they played on clay last year. Stop trying to change facts, just accept it.
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 12:30 AM   #32
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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Clay is clay. Great players on clay win on all clay surfaces beating their peers the same way. Like that poster with the Henin avatar said, no one alters their game for the surfaces. If someone is good enough against another on red clay, they will be on blue and green. The slight differences in surfaces/altitudes/conditions aren't enough to make a difference.
Right, that explains Hradecka's SF run in Madrid last year Whatever makes you sleep, hun
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #33
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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Right, that explains Hradecka's SF run in Madrid last year Whatever makes you sleep, hun
So by your logic, if someone who you think isn't supposed to do well on a surface does well on it, that surface is no longer legitimate. I guess there goes Wimbledon after Martinez won it.

You guys are hilarious. I sleep well, thanks.
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #34
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

I think essentially, these women are just better than the rest of the field on any surface.

Tennis is a game of slight advantages. Adjusting to clay does help you get it done at the end, but no one transforms into a completely different player. But having slight advantages matters. Adjusting matters.
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

Here's a small contribution:

Last year Radwanska and Errani played in the second round of Madrid. Clay is Errani's best surface and Radwanska's worst. Radwanska wins 6-0 6-1. Would the same result happen if they played in Paris?
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #36
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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Clay in Rome already plays differently to Paris because of the different temperatures. Rome is hotter and drier making the surface faster and higher bouncing. But it is still clay. Just like Madrid is still clay and just like Serena still beat Maria in the only time they played on clay last year. Stop trying to change facts, just accept it.
Seriously comparing Rome and RG and the Madrid?
No clay courts are the same but all red are largely similar, green is a different story and that blue monstrosity, well....there's a reason it was axed after one showing.

Nobody is disputing that Serena has beaten Maria on clay, they just don't have much bearing on a potential red clay match.
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 12:41 AM   #37
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

In few months, you Sharapova fans will be hating red clay. Whatever, stay deluded.
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

The differences between red clay events were more obvious in the past.Berlin was slower and balls were heavier, Rome was faster, and neither surface was totally similar to the FO.

As for the differences between green and red clay : they are NOT playing the same.Green clay is much faster (kinda like a hc)and you can't move on it like you do on red clay.It's not asking exactly the same skills and that's why someone like Davenport won Amelia Island 3 times but never won bigger than a couple of MM on red clay.

Madrid and the blue shit shouldn't even be mentionned.
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Old Apr 14th, 2013, 02:47 AM   #40
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

There are a lot of great answers here. I think it shows how flexible the top players are to adjust to so many different versions of a surface. I guess it keeps it interesting for the fan this way.
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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In few months, you Sharapova fans will be hating red clay. Whatever, stay deluded.

They have a history of hating on surfaces where pova can't or ceases to win on. I will not be surprised if FO suffers the same faith. Not long ago, they attempted to "downgrade" Wimbledon in their warped estimation saying it no longer is the biggest slam. That came about soon as it dawned on them how misguided their 2004"noise" was about pova's ability on the surface. In fact, they went as far as stating that FO & USO were greater than Wimbledon. All that happened on this forum. Never mind that Wimbledon was the "it" slam for months post pova 2004 win until she lost in 2005 SF. The "downgrade noise" even went louder in subsequent years as pova got exposed year after year on grass surface. Are u tracking?

To date, they still try working to elevate IW over MIAMI and why?.......because their idol has been lucky in IW & has failed to date in Miami. Just watch how all that will change if she ever by luck win in Miami. There is absolutely no length they will not reach to score cheap points for their idol.

Did u also notice their song about how Charleston don't mean "shit"? Ask them this: 'if Charleston isn't great, why then did their idol wanted it so bad in 2008 until she met a wall in Serena there? Please don't say you heard this from me...heheheheh
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

It's definetely different. I've played on Har-tru the green glay and red clay and the red clay is a lot slower than the green.
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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Seriously comparing Rome and RG and the Madrid?
No clay courts are the same but all red are largely similar, green is a different story and that blue monstrosity, well....there's a reason it was axed after one showing.

Nobody is disputing that Serena has beaten Maria on clay, they just don't have much bearing on a potential red clay match.
So beating a player on CLAY doesn't have much bearing on another CLAY match?
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

Not saying she isn't capable of turning things around -- if anyone can, it's her -- but Serena has major work to do at Roland Garros. She hasn't been past the quarters there in almost a decade.

Madrid last year scarcely has/had any bearing on red clay, especially the clay at Roland Garros. Let's get real.

The season will have to play itself out, but so far it seems like people's minds are clouded by the tard wars and by thinking Charleston is a good indicator of Roland Garros.

The poster who suggested Monte Carlo as a joint event opens an interesting avenue, in the sense that Monte Carlo is the one other event Nadal has dominated as thoroughly as Roland Garros (more thoroughly in fact). It probably plays closest to RG out of any of the men's or women's warmups.

I actually find it refreshing that the field is way more open on clay, and I think Errani and Kvitova both might be underrated going into RG. But this year there's no denying the master narratives of Sharapova trying to defend her title and Serena trying to avenge her first-round loss.

Sharapova has never defended a major, and Serena has not even come close to dominating at RG in forever. I'm curious if PM will improve her footwork because she really needs to improve it at RG. It won't be easy because her physique and stroke mechanics are better suited to other surfaces.
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Re: Is there really a great difference in clay surfaces?

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Green clay- nothing like red clay
indoor clay mixed with oil in Katowice and Stuttgart.
Madrid - altitude, funny clay, too slippery

Rome is the only decent form guide for RG.
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but quite often the very dry and windy conditions of Rome make the clay faster than in Paris
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