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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 02:55 PM   #1
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Accidental Racist - Controversy?

Accidental Racist lyrics
Songwriters: Smith, James Todd / Paisley, Brad / Miller, Lee Thomas

To the man that waited on me at the Starbucks down on Main, I hope you understand
When I put on that t-shirt, the only thing I meant to say is I'm a Skynyrd fan
The red flag on my chest somehow is like the elephant in the corner of the south
And I just walked him right in the room
Just a proud rebel son with an 'ol can of worms
Lookin' like I got a lot to learn but from my point of view

I'm just a white man comin' to you from the southland
Tryin' to understand what it's like not to be
I'm proud of where I'm from but not everything we've done
And it ain't like you and me can re-write history
Our generation didn't start this nation
We're still pickin' up the pieces, walkin' on eggshells, fightin' over yesterday
And caught between southern pride and southern blame

They called it Reconstruction, fixed the buildings, dried some tears
We're still siftin' through the rubble after a hundred-fifty years
I try to put myself in your shoes and that's a good place to begin
But it ain't like I can walk a mile in someone else's skin

'Cause I'm a white man livin' in the southland
Just like you I'm more than what you see
I'm proud of where I'm from but not everything we've done
And it ain't like you and me can re-write history
Our generation didn't start this nation
And we're still paying for the mistakes
That a bunch of folks made long before we came
And caught between southern pride and southern blame

Dear Mr. White Man, I wish you understood
What the world is really like when you're livin' in the hood
Just because my pants are saggin' doesn't mean I'm up to no good
You should try to get to know me, I really wish you would
Now my chains are gold but I'm still misunderstood
I wasn't there when Sherman's March turned the south into firewood
I want you to get paid but be a slave I never could
Feel like a new fangled Django, dodgin' invisible white hoods
So when I see that white cowboy hat, I'm thinkin' it's not all good
I guess we're both guilty of judgin' the cover not the book
I'd love to buy you a beer, conversate and clear the air
But I see that red flag and I think you wish I wasn't here

I'm just a white man
(If you don't judge my do-rag)
Comin' to you from the southland
(I won't judge your red flag)
Tryin' to understand what it's like not to be
I'm proud of where I'm from
(If you don't judge my gold chains)
But not everything we've done
(I'll forget the iron chains)
It ain't like you and me can re-write history
(Can't re-write history baby)

Oh, Dixieland
(The relationship between the Mason-Dixon needs some fixin')
I hope you understand what this is all about
(Quite frankly I'm a black Yankee but I've been thinkin' about this lately)
I'm a son of the new south
(The past is the past, you feel me)
And I just want to make things right
(Let bygones be bygones)
Where all that's left is southern pride
(RIP Robert E. Lee but I've gotta thank Abraham Lincoln for freeing me, know what I mean)
It's real, it's real
It's truth
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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 03:00 PM   #2
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

I like the point of this song which is a Southern white man who is judged as being racist because of preconceived notions and his attire and a black man who is judged as being a thug also based on preconceptions and what he's wearing. Yet somehow there's people making a negative thing out of it.

Your thoughts?
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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #3
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

It'd be nicer if they shared an equal amount of lines in the song.
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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 04:19 PM   #4
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

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It'd be nicer if they shared an equal amount of lines in the song.
Yeah . . but that's usually the way it is when a singer invites a rapper to take part.
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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 04:25 PM   #5
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

I thought it was comical and well-intentioned.
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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 07:11 PM   #6
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

I'd call it well-intentioned, but clueless.

No, it's not fair to immediately assume all Southern whites are racists. It's not only not true, it lets Northern racists off the hook. But until you're willing for example to really confront the racial history of things like the Confederate flag (not just in the context of the Civil War, but in it's later re-emergence during the Civil Rights era), I'm not going to have much sympathy for your desire to wear it "in peace."

Snarky, but a nice summary: http://popdust.com/2013/04/08/brad-p...rics-analysis/
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Old Apr 9th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #7
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

There is no excuse for the Confederate Flag. You can find another symbol to express your pride in the South. What the Confederacy did is nothing to be proud of whatsoever. Those states seceded from the Union to defend their right to own human beings as property. This song is absurd. "A proud rebel son?" Barf ...
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

Not to mention that Brad Paisley is from West Virginia. A state that did not secede the Union, and broke away from Virginia proper during the Civil War because it did not want to join the Confederacy.
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Not to mention that Brad Paisley is from West Virginia. A state that did not secede the Union, and broke away from Virginia proper during the Civil War because it did not want to join the Confederacy.
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

Personally, I'm more offended by it's blandness than anything else.
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I was gobsmacked when I went to Florida and saw the confederate flag in a couple of places. I assumed it would've been extremely taboo to have/display one and that these people were possibly involved with the KKK. I honestly just couldn't believe why anyone would want to own such a thing.

Once my African American bf took me to this "country" bar in a nightlife area of Seoul which is near an American military base. The whole area has a fairly bad name for itself although it's quite a mixed bag and has the only gay street in Seoul. Anyway, we ended up sitting beneath a big confederate flag which I found off-putting. There were these drunk GIs immobilised, slumped over their bears at a table near us and when the national anthem came on they jumped to life, assembled right in front of our table, saluted and sang the national anthem while facing the flag. I was sooooo uncomfortable at this point, particularly as we're a mixed race gay couple It wasn't until after they had finished that I realised there was an American flag above the confederate one! It was weird that none of my African American friends seemed to mind that bar. A couple of fellow Europeans and a Hispanic American friend of mine all disliked it as much as I did though.
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Re: Accidental Racist - Controversy?

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"I'm not really sure we're going to find any answers but it was the idea that we were asking the question," Paisley said in an exclusive interview with his duet partner that aired today on " Good Morning America."

"Martin Luther King says that darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can," LL Cool J said. "Hate can't drive out hate, only love can. So what we're talking about is compassion."

"I'm not advising anyone to truly forget slavery, but what I'm saying is forget the slavery mentality," LL Cool J said. "Forget the bitterness. Don't get bitter, get better."

Critics have been especially harsh on specific lines in the song like LL Cool J's singing "let bygones be bygones," and Paisley singing that white Americans are "still paying for mistakes that a bunch of folks made before we came."

"Some people take exception to some of the lyrics [and] I respect that," LL Cool J said. "I'm sensitive to that."

Paisley, for one, found out about the controversy from LL Cool J, who alerted him to the backlash after the video, in which LL Cool J plays a barista, was released on YouTube Monday.

"I got a call from this guy saying, 'Have you seen anything?'" Paisley said, adding that LL Cool J went on to tell him to look at Twitter. "I was like, 'No, I don't want to look at it.'"

Despite the backlash, the two stars, who will sing together again on LL Cool J's next album, to be released later this month, say they are proud of the song and the discussion it is creating.

"Let's not be victims of things that happened so long ago," Paisley said. "In the end, I felt like what we had on tape was something that people needed to hear."

LL Cool J said, "At the same time, let's respect it. But then after we respect it, let's also open our hearts up so we can move forward."
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