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Old Mar 30th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #1501
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So, if Serena Williams also withdraws, Caro will be the top seed. That way, she cannot run into Stosur before the final. I still remember the total beat-down Zvonareva got in 2010.
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But however she prepares for matches, it should be studied by her team.

But I assume she's working hard. Her whole team has to work smarter, if they can
A long-term coach should offer at least some degree of career direction for his/her charge,and that standard is raised,IMO,for Piotr because he can be blunter with Caroline than other coaches can with their players(much more so than the constantly-fired lame ducks who work for the Malnourished Fraud,e.g.).Caro obviously signed off on the awful manner in which hyper-aggression was implemented at the start of last season...we just don't know exactly how eager she was to do that(i.e.,Did she adamantly push for that from the beginning(?),did she only need slight prodding(?),did she require strong persuasion?...)

This is an almost perfect example of working HARD but NOT smart,so your caveat,'if they can',was well worthy of inclusion at the end of that sentence
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A change in coach will only work ultimately if Caro wants it. If Caro is happy with Piotr and the way her career is going atm then she is not going to seek change, nor should she because it won't work unless she wants it. For change to work, she has to be motivated to accept that change.
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So, if Serena Williams also withdraws, Caro will be the top seed. That way, she cannot run into Stosur before the final. I still remember the total beat-down Zvonareva got in 2010.
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A change in coach will only work ultimately if Caro wants it. If Caro is happy with Piotr and the way her career is going atm then she is not going to seek change, nor should she because it won't work unless she wants it. For change to work, she has to be motivated to accept that change.
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True, Zvonareva's racket also got a break-down

I cannot remember Caro ever losing at PVB ...

Charleston, she lost the final in 2009 to Lisciki.
2010, she lost to Zvonareva in the SF after rolling her ankle.

Which is the 3rd loss?
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True, Zvonareva's racket also got a break-down

I cannot remember Caro ever losing at PVB ...

Charleston, she lost the final in 2009 to Lisciki.
2010, she lost to Zvonareva in the SF after rolling her ankle.

Which is the 3rd loss?
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A change in coach will only work ultimately if Caro wants it. If Caro is happy with Piotr and the way her career is going atm then she is not going to seek change, nor should she because it won't work unless she wants it. For change to work, she has to be motivated to accept that change.
As Chrissie-fan posted,your words are fundamentally true,but the big(potential) problem is that refusal would be indicative of emotional over-dependence,inflexibility and,quite possibly,contentment with losing and never achieving her supposed(stated)tennis goals
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As Chrissie-fan posted,your words are fundamentally true,but the big(potential) problem is that refusal would be indicative of emotional over-dependence,inflexibility and,quite possibly,contentment with losing and never achieving her supposed(stated)tennis goals
I don't really you see your point. Some have even suggested in here maybe Caro is happy (accepting) of her performances. If Caro is happy with her career and Piotr, no good will probably come from changing coach. If she's going to change coach she has to fully commit to it. She always gives off the vibe of she feels she is getting back to her best, if she truly believes that she is probably happy with her coaching situation right now.
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I don't really you see your point. Some have even suggested in here maybe Caro is happy (accepting) of her performances. If Caro is happy with her career and Piotr, no good will probably come from changing coach. If she's going to change coach she has to fully commit to it. She always gives off the vibe of she feels she is getting back to her best, if she truly believes that she is probably happy with her coaching situation right now.
My POINT was that you were right that a coaching change wouldn't be successful if Caro didn't really want one......BUT,if she IS completely unwilling to consider another coach,then that indicates emotional dependency on Piotr...to an unhealthy level(in CAREER terms,not necessarily in her personal life where she obviously has a nice relationship with Rory).Also,a rigid refusal to consider anyone else would belie Caro's supposed desire to regain elite status if she continued dropping in the rankings with no solution in sight.It would indicate that Caro was content with being merely decent...and that any talk of winning a Slam was just HOT AIR.

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Sloane Stephens the No. 4 seed drawn on the top half of the draw, could face #Serena in SFs. Wozniacki + Stosur on the bottom half #FCC2013
Would have preferred Stephens instead of Stosur in Caro's half .. obviously.

What happens, if Serena Williams WD before MD starts?
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On coaches - I think there is far too much speculation here about it supposedly proving that Caro isn't motivated or that she's content or whatever because she stays with Piotr. I don't believe Caro staying with Piotr prove any such thing. But there is no doubt that there is a deep underlying trust she has for him built up over many years which has just not been there for her other coaches. The amount of deep down trust and confidence (as opposed to intellectually agreeing with her coach) will be tested the most during matches when she has bad defeats and when things don't go well in a match.

Her situation could be worse and she doesn't have a coach at all!. JJ went several months in 2009 without a coach and she always got worse when that happened. At least with Piotr - he's always there for her.

I think though that there were two different sets of circumstances with Sanchez and TJ and why she let both go. And she and her team need to learn from that and try to make a coach work as a long term proposition if she ever is ready for another go at this:

I think the biggest problem with TJ was the fact that he was not with Caro all the time. So much of the time he was away - Piotr was then the full-time coach so she tries to take on board some of TJs ideas but is coached by Piotr because TJ is away. Looking back - I'm not surprised now that she decided she got what she wanted from TJ but would just have Piotr.

The impression I got with Sanchez was that he was like an outsider - an add-on to the team rather than an integral part singing from the same hymn sheet. And he had his own ideas but were they exactly the same as the others in the team? I always noticed that any group photos he was in he was stuck out on the outside - and that's if he was in the photo at all.. With TJ and Piotr I think there was a conscious effort by both of them to work really closely together. But with Sanchez - I never got the impression that the two worked closely together to ensure they were saying the same things to Caro - and this eventually just confused her.

Anyway in summary - nothing to do with Caro being content - I think it's totally unrealistic that Caro will just completely replace Piotr whatever her results. For it to work - the coach must be an inner part of the team, 100% always there and that Piotr and the coach must be completely at one so that Caro regards what each says with confidence and they never contradict to cause her confusion.
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Caro will face the winner of Schiavone-Soler Espinosa...whoever it is (Silvia probably), is a good clay court specialist, so it will be real test from the beginning
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My POINT was that you were right that a coaching change wouldn't be successful if Caro didn't really want one......BUT,if she IS completely unwilling to consider another coach,then that indicates emotional dependency on Piotr...to an unhealthy level(in CAREER terms,not necessarily in her personal life where she obviously has a nice relationship with Rory).Also,a rigid refusal to consider anyone else would belie Caro's supposed desire to regain elite status if she continued dropping in the rankings with no solution in sight.It would indicate that Caro was content with being merely decent...and that any talk of winning a Slam was just HOT AIR.:
Firstly I do think there is a degree of "hot air" to some of what Caro says. When she said a few months ago "my goal this year is to win a grand slam." I find it hard to believe she truly believes that is coming, it comes across as PR talk. Once upon a time it would be easy to convince yourself that winning a grand slam was almost a formality (and with good reason), right now I find it hard to believe she believes she is close to slam winning level.

Secondly tbf she isn't really dropping in the rankings anymore, her decline in that sense has halted in that she's not getting any worse. She's stagnated in her curve now and in the rankings. We don't really have any idea if she believes the solution to regaining elite status is in sight. We can base our own opinions on what we see going on in her career, but even we don't really have the full picture of what's going on behind the scenes, and we're certainly not in Caro's mind to know what she is thinking.

Really the crux of the argument is in a vacuum I think Caro would be better off with a differing coaching team. But in practice I know it could only work if Caro also wants it, there is no "in a vacuum" when applied to reality. There is obviously some emotional attachment to Piotr, but we also just don't know if she truly believes she can turn it around with Piotr or not.
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