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Old Mar 4th, 2013, 10:54 PM   #571
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Re: WTA Ranks Update Thread

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[...] I am in agreement that it could not be March 4 for IW this year [...]
At last! we've arrived at some agreement, at least as for the tournament to come this week.
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Old Mar 5th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #572
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At last! we've arrived at some agreement, at least as for the tournament to come this week.
We aren't in agreement on anything else I said? Only that?

You started out saying the issue of which rankings to use is decided unambiguously in the rules, citing that clause, then evaded answering the questions, 1.What does "start of the Tournament" even mean in this context? 2. Which week is "the week prior to the start of the Tournament"?

I think it was in my first post (in this discussion) that I pointed out, be careful, the WTA sometimes takes "the week prior to the start of the Tournament" to mean the same week as the start of the tournament. You flatly rejected that as not being a possible interpretation.

You then avoid answering the followup question, if that is not possible, which rankings then does this clause unambiguously require for a tournament which starts on a Saturday or Sunday?

I think we may also agree that last question is not answerable, unless you also know when the qualifying draw is conducted (something which is not specified in that clause), and indeed it CAN be the rankings from the same week as the "start of the Tournament".

Do we at last agree on that too? If we cannot, you are saying the WTA in fact used the wrong rankings for several events last year.

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We aren't in agreement on anything else I said? Only that?
No, I don't agree that a week can be prior to itself. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not going to continue this discussion with you, sorry. You should probably try this solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
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No, I don't agree that a week can be prior to itself. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not going to continue this discussion with you, sorry. You should probably try this solution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y
Um, yeah right. You continue to refuse to acknowledge it is not as trivial as your assertion that the words the WTA uses decide unambiguously, but can't concretely answer even the simplest of questions about what those words actually do mean, nor do you respond to a simple counter-example AND now tell me I'M simply being argumentative?

Sorry, you can't logically hold to all of those unless you in fact have already been practicing the solution you are proposing to me now. You're right, we're done. It's completely fruitless to continue when those are your responses.
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You continue to refuse to acknowledge it is not as trivial as your assertion that the words the WTA uses decide unambiguously [...]
I did it already in my response to your first post. Not an argumentative chap, really...

You definitely should visit the Argument Clinic. Not as a client, but in order to apply for a position as a Senior Specialist. You'll make a mint with them. You only have to be alert during the initial interview. Those guys are sometimes being nasty to applicants:

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Old Mar 12th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #576
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Re: WTA Ranks Update Thread

Found an interesting article on a rankings system that evaluates players on actual performance.
http://www.sbnation.com/tennis/2013/...kings-march-11

They have a top 1000 ranking and it seems pretty accurate to me. You can note that Barty and Bouchard are top 100 with this system. At least now there is an unbiased source for the most overranked/underranked players And according to them, the most overranked top 100 players are Putchkova (), Minella, Tatishvili, Rus, Paszek, Oudin, Jovanovski, Johansson, Soler-Espinosa and Cornet!
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Yup, passes the eyeball test that one.

It's probably slightly too opaque to ever be used as official rankings, though.
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Re: WTA Ranks Update Thread

Oh goody, another system that combines quality points and average points, the two worst rankings ideas ever. They dress it up in a whole lot of mumbo-jumbo about algorithms and best-fitting curves, but when push comes to shove it's the same old same old BS.

Quality points awards players a random bonus for wins over slumping top players.

Average points rewards players for cherry-picking the tournaments they expect to do best in.

There may be some room for tweaking the current system here and there, but even in its current for it gives a pretty good indication of players' ability to win matches over a normal number of events in the past year. If you're good enough, you'll go deep in important tournaments on a regular basis. That's all you need to know.
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Has CSN officially been in top20?
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Has CSN officially been in top20?
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April 15 rankings is the cutoff for the French Open maindraw, correct?
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April 15 rankings is the cutoff for the French Open maindraw, correct?
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i'll correct it
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Venus points still too low
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Nadia up to 11 with out firing a shot this season. Dream.
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