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Old Feb 17th, 2013, 09:35 AM   #916
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GM is not a place to hang out when Maria's facing Serena if you're easily annoyed by trolls .
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Old Feb 17th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #917
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Guys, have you ever watched the H2H between Serena and all the other players than Maria?
You're talking like she's the only one Serena beats...
True. Very true, but Maria stands out as one who's faced off against Serena in a lot of important matches late in tournaments. It's a bit like Federer-Roddick. Federer owns lots of players almost as badly, but for some reason Roddick stood out as his worst victim.
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Old Feb 17th, 2013, 10:01 AM   #918
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True. Very true, but Maria stands out as one who's faced off against Serena in a lot of important matches late in tournaments. It's a bit like Federer-Roddick. Federer owns lots of players almost as badly, but for some reason Roddick stood out as his worst victim.
Vika too, but she gets a pass cause of US final where she did nothing except benefiting from Serena's choke.
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Vika too, but she gets a pass cause of US final where she did nothing except benefiting from Serena's choke.
Yes, that is a bit hypocritical that Vika takes less heat about her H2H with Rena.

But Vika also had the '09 AO match where she won the first set and had to retire, the 2010 Australian Open match where I think she was just one game from winning IIRC, along with the US Open final you mentioned.

Vika undeniably has been more competitive with Rena over the past few years and stands a lot more chance of beating her than Maria at the moment.

That said, her only win over Serena was '09 Miami, and that has a big asterisk. Maria's victory at the 2004 YEC is similar. But nobody can take away Wimbledon 2004. That is to date the only win without an asterisk between the two.
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This match up is so perfunctory for Serena now, that she didn't even fully invest in playing anywhere near her best. She was coasting for the most part, content to let her serve do the trick when it mattered, and apply great width and length, which is the kiss of death for Pova. It's all too predictable the way Serena can exploit Pova's game. As soon as Pova's serving level dropped early in the first set, it was all over.

Pova can't match Serena off the ground any more, that much is obvious. Pova's groundgame in general has deteriorated off clay, and posters were right about how the emphasis on heavier spin and a more aggressive-grinding mindset has made her so vulnerable against Serena. She can no longer take her forehand early in high pace rallies, and the amount of spin she puts on the ball these days, means that the height of the ball generally is ideal for Serena to take big, profitable strikes, without any threat of being out-hit herself for any real period of time. Once Serena takes over the rally, it's all over.

This is a void rivalry. Like it has been for years.
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As for the match itself. Maria missed too many shots to make it competitive. After the first 4 games it looked like she would have played a good match but then the inevitable happened. What I don't get is why is she not playing Dubai?
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Re: SemiPova returns to flop in Doha. GSM Serena 6-3 6-2.

I posted in this thread by mistake. Ooops

I didn't mean to infiltrate you in your period of grief. My apologies.
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Vika too, but she gets a pass cause of US final where she did nothing except benefiting from Serena's choke.
And yet if Vika didn't choke she would have won.
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I posted in this thread by mistake. Ooops

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This match up is so perfunctory for Serena now, that she didn't even fully invest in playing anywhere near her best. She was coasting for the most part, content to let her serve do the trick when it mattered, and apply great width and length, which is the kiss of death for Pova. It's all too predictable the way Serena can exploit Pova's game. As soon as Pova's serving level dropped early in the first set, it was all over.

Pova can't match Serena off the ground any more, that much is obvious. Pova's groundgame in general has deteriorated off clay, and posters were right about how the emphasis on heavier spin and a more aggressive-grinding mindset has made her so vulnerable against Serena. She can no longer take her forehand early in high pace rallies, and the amount of spin she puts on the ball these days, means that the height of the ball generally is ideal for Serena to take big, profitable strikes, without any threat of being out-hit herself for any real period of time. Once Serena takes over the rally, it's all over.

This is a void rivalry. Like it has been for years.
I know you like to pound away with this theory that Maria's game is at about 30% of its peak level, but it doesn't explain why she managed to even make it competitive against Serena in 2010, when she was playing a fraction as well as 2012/13. Nor does it explain why she completely fails to put away the type of midcourt balls she was getting routinely against Serena yesterday, that she was slaughtering without fail the day before against Stosur.

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Yup. I've said it before, but I really think she should see a sports psychologist. Even though she is as mentally tough as they come in certain aspects (fighting spirit, and her day-to-day resilience at shaking off setbacks), it's beyond clear at this point that she has a problem of wanting it so desperately and putting way too much pressure on herself in big matches, that she lets that pressure/anxiety suffocate herself and completely overwhelm her thinking processes.

I've NEVER understood why tennis players don't see sports psychologists more often -- they're common in most sports. Jessica Ennis, who is considered one of the most mentally tough women in sports right now, was openly chatting to her psychologist in front of the cameras right before she started the heptathlon at the Olympics last year. But for some reason, with tennis players there's just a stigma surrounding them -- and tbh, I can just see Maria being exactly the type of person who'd be too proud/stubborn to admit that she has a mental "weakness" that she needs help with.
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Old Feb 17th, 2013, 12:48 PM   #926
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True. Very true, but Maria stands out as one who's faced off against Serena in a lot of important matches late in tournaments. It's a bit like Federer-Roddick. Federer owns lots of players almost as badly, but for some reason Roddick stood out as his worst victim.
That's exactly what I thought yesterday, I felt like watching all the finals between Federer and Roddick... except I was always rooting for Roger
But really, the rivalry between Maria and Serena is felt as bigger because it's been going on since 2004 basically, even if Maria couldn't beat her for 8 years, every time there's a match between them it's a blockbuster while the rest isn't felt like that; only matches with Vika since 2012 because she has been a lot better, but she's still 1-11 with Serena. Not to mention all the others (Na Petra etc. etc.), people never talk about their H2H but it's like 3-6, 0-6, 0-4 and such...
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Well, I agree with dsanders that Maria's problems are mostly psychological. Not that Serena isn't the better player because she is, but for Maria to be so totally dominated by her is not normal. Although Federer owned Roddick at least Andy won sets and was in some competitive matches with Roger. Roddick's problems weren't mental. Federer was just a better player. The only way out that I see for Maria is beating Serena on red clay. IF she would be able to do that (and it's a big if) perhaps that mental block she's suffering from might disappear.
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Hopefully Masha will get at least one win over Serena this year
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Re: SemiPova returns to flop in Doha. GSM Serena 6-3 6-2.

I agree with dsanders that a sports psychologist would do her good I was actually about to post that too because especially in this match if it wasn't for her brain getting in the way she had some solid chances However i don't understand why so many of you are so negative and it's not like the Serena phenomenon is something new. She couldn't even get a win against her in 2008 when she was arguably playing the best tennis of her career so that's nothing new really and even though the score didn't show it I thought it was really close it's not like she couldn't do anything against Serena but like Maria'd say she didn't take her chances when she had them. About Vika they haven't played yet this year so we don't know how that match-up will go but she beat her at the YEC and I think it'll be a lot closer this year. Also I think there are a lot of improvements to her game this year especially the serve and ROS and she isn't playing worse than last year so no need to lose faith i'm positive that the results will come in the near future.
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Re: SemiPova returns to flop in Doha. GSM Serena 6-3 6-2.

I had to leave at 3-3. Until then, it looked like Maria was heading to give Serena a good run for the money. Sadly, and once again, it did not happen.
Why is it that Maria finds herself incapable even to force Serena to a tight, battling match, I don't know. She has the talent, the will and the shots to give her a hard time. But when they meet, all this seems to almost disappear, and I'm afraid this might be a very difficult issue to solve (let alone figuring out how).
Hopefully, there will be better days ahead.
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