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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #31
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

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Top XWTA Players That Would Rather Just Withdraw From An Event Even Means Getting 0, Losing Bonus Pool Money

Serena Williams
Wasn't it Serena who invented the tactic of tanking or retiring during 1st round matches back in 2009?
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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #32
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When did Caroline do this? I have no recollections and the only times I can ever remember her retiring she was genuinely injured or sick (Zheng, Kremer, Wozniak). In the Kremer match, she retired up 75 50 because she knew she wouldn't be able to play the next round. If you're referring to any of her first round losses, I think she just got beat in all of those. You can't tell me she didn't try last year vs Safarova as she had a match point. Same idea for McHale x2 and Vinci. Or it could just be I have a selective memory when it comes to her.
she hasn't actually retired other than the Copahagen match but clearly sometimes she shows up at tournaments even when she is not 100%

the last 2 years she was the SEWTA #1 from the previous year so alot of bonus pool money at stake to play all of the Premier tournaments so I am not blaming her
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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 01:58 AM   #33
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At a time when the prize money has never been so high, it's quite disgraceful to see this.

That's why I don't fully support the higher prize money for first round losers.
Being a tennis player doesn't mean you're entitled to have a Louis Vuitton.

And you get the feeling that most players would rather buy a nice bag/car than invest the money into their career.
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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 10:32 AM   #34
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Meanwhile 3 of the brightest shining lights of the generation that is set to dominate the XWTA for the next 5 years (Vika, Karo, Aga) seem to be driven by ranking points, money

CoWoz and radwanska going to dominate wta?
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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #35
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

I am surprised no one pay attention to Na-GOAT's changed the nickname from SEWTA to XWTA...
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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #36
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That's exactly how it works.
I always laugh when people criticize the way the WTA schedule is set up, when an almost identical counterpart in the Masters/ATP 500 system flourishes successfully on the ATP.
Please you're not getting what I mean at all. I'm referring to specifically how the Tier Is figure differently into the two ranking systems.

On the WTA:

"The results used to determine a player’s WTA Ranking shall be
those yielding the highest ranking points during a rolling, 52-week
period, and must include a player’s ranking points from the Grand
Slams, Premier Mandatory Tournaments and the Premier WTA
Championships plus the best two (2) Premier 5 Tournament results
for Top 10 Players."

This means only 6 of the 9 Tier Is on the WTA are mandatory in the rankings. Obviously the cherry-picking can get quite bad. The idea is even if you only get 1 point from the Premier 5 (basically just need to show up), you can still use a lower tier-ed tournament to replace that.

However on the ATP:

A player's ATP Ranking is based on the total points he accrued in the following 19 tournaments (18 if he did not qualify for the Barclays ATP World Tour Finals):

The four Grand Slam tournaments
The eight mandatory ATP World Tour Masters 1000 tournaments,[2]
The previous Barclays ATP World Tour Finals count until the Monday following the final regular-season ATP event of the following year.[3]
The best six results from all ATP World Tour 500, ATP World Tour 250, ATP Challenger Tour, Futures Series, Olympics and Davis Cup tournaments played in the calendar year[4]

It's not enough to just TURN UP for the Masters, you need to do WELL to get a good ranking, because even if you get only 1 point from playing the Masters, you cannot erase it from your ranking. It will stay on there even if you have a better result from a lower tier-ed tournament.

So do your research before you jump on my case.
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Old Feb 13th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #37
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Re: Top XWTA Players That Would Show Up At An Event To Avoid 0, Keep Bonus $$$

exactly obviously the top XWTA players have figured out the loophole in the ranking rules
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