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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #121
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

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and went on to defend both her titles at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open. So what exactly is your point?

My point is that Henin dominated on the WTA tour for a longer period than Venus did and I think only the most ardent Venus stans would seriously try to deny that.
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:06 PM   #122
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You're wrong. She lost in the 2nd round.

Venus OTOH lost in the first round in 2001 which according to some people here was during her domination period (and she lost 1:6,1:6 in the Slam before )
2r indeed, my bad. Then..Vee all hope is gone.
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #123
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My point is that Henin dominated on the WTA tour for a longer period than Venus did and I think only the most ardent Venus stans would seriously try to deny that.
Again what is the point? In all henin's domination Venus has earned more than her in the sport... You see? I can pull all sorts of irrelevant stats out of my ass too
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #124
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Again what is the point? In all henin's domination Venus has earned more than her in the sport... You see? I can pull all sorts of irrelevant stats out of my ass too
Yeah I tried that one too but Matt01 is convinced only his stats are relevant.
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:16 PM   #125
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

At the end of the day, it's not about the achievements but an image. Vee has a substantial one.
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:19 PM   #126
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Again what is the point? In all henin's domination Venus has earned more than her in the sport... You see? I can pull all sorts of irrelevant stats out of my ass too

I was actually replying to another poster. I already knew that you are obsessed with money but I'm not interested.
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

The sad thing about threads like this is that most posters here aren't able to discuss a topic about a player objectively. Everyone might have different opinions on things, but some people just don't like certain players and no matter what arguments there might be, they will never agree with anything.
If posters would at least argue in a respectful way. It always has to be provocative around here. It's easy to argue this way on an anonymous platform like the internet, because you guys don't have to look into each others faces, isn't it?
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #128
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The sad thing about threads like this is that most posters here aren't able to discuss a topic about a player objectively. Everyone might have different opinions on things, but some people just don't like certain players and no matter what arguments there might be, they will never agree with anything.
If posters would at least argue in a respectful way. It always has to be provocative around here. It's easy to argue this way on an anonymous platform like the internet, because you guys don't have to look into each others faces, isn't it?
Yup. Its easy to maintain e-ignorance. I for one am happy to have a legitimate debate on almost any issue but it never stays civil.
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:30 PM   #129
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The sad thing about threads like this is that most posters here aren't able to discuss a topic about a player objectively. Everyone might have different opinions on things, but some people just don't like certain players and no matter what arguments there might be, they will never agree with anything.

Yes, and it also works the other way since some people are so die-hard fans of a player that they would never admit that another player does at least one thing better than the player they are are adoring so much.
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 09:33 PM   #130
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Yes, and it also works the other way since some people are so die-hard fans of a player that they would never admit that another player does at least one thing better than the player they are are adoring so much.
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Yes, and it also works the other way since some people are so die-hard fans of a player that they would never admit that another player does at least one thing better than the player they are are adoring so much.

But why would it be so important to you to try to bang your beliefs into someones head that's just not buying it? What's the point? And do you honestly believe williams fans are gonna bow down to "the great Justine?"

From what we've seen for 15 years....sometimes other peoples accomplishments just aren't as impressive to us as you would think. What can I say?

The williams owned Wimbledon for over a decade and even your "great" couldn't penatrate that. You really believe that's gonna happen?

Hingis, Maria and Jennifer fans all thought they were the best and hey, they have that right. We didn't believe it though, and didn't try to bang it in their heads...

If you believe Justine is better than Venus, you can do that but my opinion was I would NEVER put her over Venus so playing tug of war is a waste of time.
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My thoughts are....yeah she can play in the dirt
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Old Feb 5th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #133
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But why would it be so important to you to try to bang your beliefs into someones head that's just not buying it? What's the point? And do you honestly believe williams fans are gonna bow down to "the great Justine?"

From what we've seen for 15 years....sometimes other peoples accomplishments just aren't as impressive to us as you would think. What can I say?

The williams owned Wimbledon for over a decade and even your "great" couldn't penatrate that. You really believe that's gonna happen?

Hingis, Maria and Jennifer fans all thought they were the best and hey, they have that right. We didn't believe it though, and didn't try to bang it in their heads...

If you believe Justine is better than Venus, you can do that but my opinion was I would NEVER put her over Venus so playing tug of war is a waste of time.

Yeah, I've already noticed that argueing with you is pointless

But like it or not, that's not gonna prevent me from pointing out the obvious and relevant stats to reveal the delusions of some fans (to which you obviously belong to).
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Yeah, I've already noticed that argueing with you is pointless

But like it or not, that's not gonna prevent me from pointing out the obvious and relevant stats to reveal the delusions of some fans (to which you obviously belong to).
And you obviously do not belong to, accoding to u, right?
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

We watched the same matches as you though, so we know her capabilities. She was tough when she got in a groove and she was talented. Especially for her size.

But people here been trying to take something away from them from the beginning to such a degree that they don't even realize how good they really are. Or were

I'm not gonna say Justine is better because of that.
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