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Old Feb 4th, 2013, 08:58 PM   #31
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I'm one who doesn't understand the desire to "cross-dress". I mean ?? As erotic play or for fun I can see it but as something that one makes part of one's identity I . yeah .nah. And again it's something that far more men than women seem to have a penchant for.
The first question to ask is yourself is why you dissociate erotic play from one's identity, as though sexuality is a part of the human experience that can be isolated, or turned on and off like a switch. Once you remove that assumption, it will make a bit more sense.

For your final sentence, consider what sexual dimorphism and socialisation of the different sexes mean. Notice that women "cross-dress" all the time, when they wear pant suits, shirts/jeans etc. Even high heels were originally worn by men, and eventually adopted and adapted for women. Women can wear anything men wear and no one bats an eye. There is a greater sense of change and transgression when men cross-dress.

At the root of the opposition and reaction to many of these issues (homophobia, etc.) is misogyny. It is unthinkable for a man to want to subject himself to a role commonly taken by the inferior woman. It is a breach of the masculine contract; it destabilises hegemonic male privilege.
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I'm one who doesn't understand the desire to "cross-dress". I mean ?? As erotic play or for fun I can see it but as something that one makes part of one's identity I . yeah .nah. And again it's something that far more men than women seem to have a penchant for.
it's my taste on picking clothes but it has nothing to do with my sexual orientation

c'mon, when a woman dressed like a man, you said that she's a working woman, but in vice versa, if a man dressed like a woman, you said freak, and it's not right then they said this world is equal, but then there is no place for people like me
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Here's my 2 tiny cents. If you are against gays and deny them the right to their basic human rights you are a bigot. History will laugh at you in a hundred years. Where is the "Bye Bitch" gif?
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How pitiful do you have be to take joy in other people being refused their rights? How would it harm you? We aren't going to go away just because this law hasn't passed
Nobody's going anywhere for sure and you - as a gay - should be thankful you're not living in Poland

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Here's my 2 tiny cents. If you are against gays and deny them the right to their basic human rights you are a bigot. History will laugh at you in a hundred years. Where is the "Bye Bitch" gif?
Several Roman Emperors had been openly gay or bisexual and that didn't harm their position. So i gather the history was much more "educated" several of hundreds years ago already And I don't care what will happen in the next 200 years on so cause I won't live that long to see it
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In a few decades this will be a non-factor so I just don't get all bent out of shape about it. And I'm content with my rights now, personally, and greatly appreciate those who are fighting for complete equaliity. I view the whole gay rights fight as being similar to the black rights movements. It will happen, after it first happens people aren't gonna be happy with it and over time it will just be come the way it is.
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It's pretty bad in Serbia. Hate towards gay is open and something to be encouraged There is lots of discrimination(it's very hard for gay people to get jobs despite their qualifications, everyone thinks of it as a mental disease, etc.).

I'm pretty sure gay marriage will never be legalized in Serbia and as for adoption, well I think our country would cease to exist if this ever happened (which it wont)
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It's pretty bad in Serbia. Hate towards gay is open and something to be encouraged There is lots of discrimination(it's very hard for gay people to get jobs despite their qualifications, everyone thinks of it as a mental disease, etc.).
In Serbian high school textbooks you can still find those outdated definitions of homosexuality, how it's an illness etc. Even our former president (who has a degree in psychology ) had some homophobic statements. Ignorance is the biggest issue here and our Government is not doing anything about it. Some of the gay people I know also say that gay rights activists in Serbia are no better.
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It will get better Slovenia is a good role model for other Balkan countries. And in my country it looked the same few years ago and now we are really close to legalizing civil unions
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Nobody's going anywhere for sure and you - as a gay - should be thankful you're not living in Poland
And you as a non-gay should be thankful that you don't have to fight for these rights, they are a given
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Nobody's going anywhere for sure and you - as a gay - should be thankful you're not living in Poland
Do you have a nervous laughter tick or something? What's with all the ""s?

You should be thankful that you don't live in Malawi or Afghanistan too. So? You do realize that several of the openly gay posters on this forum live in nations that are hostile to their sexuality too, they make the best of the lot they are given as does every human being on this earth. I don't see exactly what's so damned "" about anyone's situation.
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Several Roman Emperors had been openly gay or bisexual and that didn't harm their position. So i gather the history was much more "educated" several of hundreds years ago already And I don't care what will happen in the next 200 years on so cause I won't live that long to see it
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The first question to ask is yourself is why you dissociate erotic play from one's identity, as though sexuality is a part of the human experience that can be isolated, or turned on and off like a switch. Once you remove that assumption, it will make a bit more sense.

For your final sentence, consider what sexual dimorphism and socialisation of the different sexes mean. Notice that women "cross-dress" all the time, when they wear pant suits, shirts/jeans etc. Even high heels were originally worn by men, and eventually adopted and adapted for women. Women can wear anything men wear and no one bats an eye. There is a greater sense of change and transgression when men cross-dress.

At the root of the opposition and reaction to many of these issues (homophobia, etc.) is misogyny. It is unthinkable for a man to want to subject himself to a role commonly taken by the inferior woman. It is a breach of the masculine contract; it destabilises hegemonic male privilege.
Brilliant post. Thank you.

(Just to add: I have often commented on another guy's good looks, and some people will look at me weird because apparently saying that someone looks good means I want to bone them. Contrast this to situations where girls fangirl over each other and no one thinks they're LeZzb00s! Interesting, the reaction.)
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House of Commons approved same-sex marriage bill in a 400-175 vote How long will it take to complete the legislation process? Does House of Lords have any power to reject the bill because I've heard they only can delay it - help from British users would be appreciated!
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I wanted to post these two stories to bring to light another issue: The health of LGBTQ youth. And hell, even pro-gay straight youth. It is a de-facto war zone for these kids. Incredible amounts of bullying, kids say homophobic abuse is the most severe and the most painful. The hate these kids have picked up from society and their religious leaders or family have seeped into their psyches, let alone the complete lack of awareness kids have regarding all things gay because it's intentionally hidden in schools. Luckily I learned about homosexuality in school when I was in 6th grade but most are not so lucky.

This is the first story I wanted to post. It's a clear example of how schools across not just the USA but the world would in many cases rather see LGBTQ kids and their allies dead and/or harassed than actually protect and provide a safe place for them:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gayso...-stop-gsa.html

ACLU, GLSEN: Florida’s Lake County School Board plans to ban all student clubs to stop GSA


School officials in Lake County are considering banning extra-curricular activities for students, an order that would effectively keep a proposed gay-straight alliance from forming in one of its schools.

Several school board members, including chairwoman Kyleen Fischer and members Bill Mathias and Debbie Strivender, voiced their support of the ban on clubs and groups at secondary schools while meeting and discussing the matter at a workshop on Monday, the Orlando Sentinel is reporting.

Two other board members, Tod Howard and Rosanne Brandeburg, reportedly favored a ban that would be specific to middle schools.

In either instance, the proposed Gay-Straight Alliance that 14-year-old Carver Middle School student Bayli Silberstein wanted to form at her school would be prohibited, the paper learned.

The American Civil Liberties Union became involved in the matter when Bayli’s first attempted to form the club was denied last school year. She is reportedly awaiting a final decision on her second application from this school year, which will be handed down by Principal Mollie Cunningham, who runs the Leesburg school.

The ACLU said that the club was integral in combating harassment of LGBT students.

“Creating an atmosphere in which bullying and violence are not tolerated and everyone is valued and respected will help make all students better citizens and better equipped for participation in the workforce that is comprised of people from all walks of life,” a letter sent by the ACLU and obtained by CFNEWS-13 stated.

The organization added, “By protecting students’ right to form a [gay-straight alliance], you are not only obeying the law and avoiding potential legal liability, you are promoting school safety and helping address the serious problem of anti-LGBT bullying.”

Bayli also hoped to create a friendly environment while also combating bullying and harassment of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students.

“The bullying at our school has gotten out of hand, and somebody needs to do something about it,” Bayli was quoted as saying in a press release from the ACLU also obtained by the station.

If the school board votes in favor of the proposed extra-curricular ban, however, the club may not even have a chance to form.

While discussing the matter Monday, Fischer was quoted as saying that “social engineering” should take a back seat to education, as far as district-wide focus is concerned.

She added, according to the Sentinel, “It is not our job to socially mentor students, but to educate them.”

Not everyone was entirely in favor of all elements of the ban – board member Howard reportedly expressed concern regarding how the rule would affect what he referred to as “the remainder of the clubs that are doing good things.”
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Just about anywhere is better for gay rights than Saudi Arabia and other, similarly corrupt and barbaric backwaters in the Middle East.
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