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Old Feb 3rd, 2013, 12:55 AM   #31
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

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Venus stands well on her own very well. No one is saying she's the greatest player to ever play the game.
I did not tried to put Venus's achievements down, but certainly even today, i can talk from how she is viewed here in my country, you talk about the sisters, but inmediately people normally say, but Serena is way better right? and so on.

Venus does not have the better Wimbledon record ATM in comparisson to Serena, which previously that was the icon around Venus's superiority over Serena. Venus stands by herself IMO with her achievements, but Serena (or will) puts some shadow on her no doubt.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2013, 02:12 AM   #32
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

Below Justine and just a bit above Sharapova (for now)
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Below Justine and just a bit above Sharapova (for now)
1)Henin
2)Venus
3)Hingis and Sharapova
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1.Serena
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

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1.Serena
2.Henin
3.Venus
4.Hingis
5.Seles

WHAT?
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'Of their generations', Seles played till 2003 so I group her with them.
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'Of their generations', Seles played till 2003 so I group her with them.
What are these stupid reasons to place Seles behind Hingis ?
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

Abova Henin because of her popularity and double results but probably behind Seles.

So it would be something like
1-Seles
2-Venus
3-Henin
4-Sharapova(for now)/Hingis
5-Clijsters...
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

I think it's a consensus that Vee isn't at the tier I level of GOATNESS...she's probably tier III, along with Henin/Hingis.. nobody's saying that she's at the level of Serena, let alone Graf/Nav/Evert.
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

1 Serena Williams (15) is worth more than 2 Venus Williams (7). Incidentally, 1 Serena Williams is equal to 3 Martina Hingis.
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

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1.Serena
2.Henin
3.Venus
4.Hingis
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I think it's a consensus that Vee isn't at the tier I level of GOATNESS...she's probably tier III, along with Henin/Hingis.. nobody's saying that she's at the level of Serena, let alone Graf/Nav/Evert.
Who makes up your Tier 2 then? I'd have Henin in there.
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Who makes up your Tier 2 then? I'd have Henin in there.
tier I: Graf/Nav/Court/Evert
tier Ib: Serena
tier II: BJK, Seles
tier III: Henin, Vee, Goolagong..

Plus if Henin is tier II, Vee's tier II too, no?!
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Re: Debate: Venus Williams' Career Placement

"If you just took away her Wimbledon titles...and her doubles career since Serena was her partner..."

"If you just took away her hair" then she would be bald.

"If you just took away her money" then she wouldn't be rich.

Venus' only mistake was letting her little sister touch a tennis racket.

Good news is that mistake cost her a few singles titles but is definitely being "paid back" in all the best doubles titles available.
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tier I: Graf/Nav/Court/Evert
tier Ib: Serena
tier II: BJK, Seles
tier III: Henin, Vee, Goolagong..

Plus if Henin is tier II, Vee's tier II too, no?!
Henin won her 7 across 3 different slams, and reached the final of Wimbledon twice. Venus has only Wimbledon and the US Open, and has only reached 1 final of the Aus and French. Henin's also won the YEC twice. I have her as slightly above Venus.

edit: And Henin has more weeks at #1
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