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View Poll Results: Should Gay Marriage be legal?

Yes (please explain your thoughts below) 187 87.38%
No, on religious grounds 15 7.01%
No (please explain your thoughts below) 12 5.61%
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #181
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I think that the figure of both a father and a mother is very important, especially the mother, I just don't like the idea of two male homossexuals adopting children sorry.
I grew up perfectly fine despite not living with my mother since I was 4-5yo.
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 06:02 PM   #182
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #183
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I think that the figure of both a father and a mother is very important, especially the mother, I just don't like the idea of two male homossexuals adopting children sorry.
You're allowed not to like it. I don't think your personal likes and dislikes are valid bases for laws, however.
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #184
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You're allowed not to like it. I don't think your personal likes and dislikes are valid bases for laws, however.

Exactly. I don't think stupid, uneducated people should be allowed to have kids...but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #185
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You're allowed not to like it. I don't think your personal likes and dislikes are valid bases for laws, however.
the simple truth is that society sees women as better parents than men. that's why gay adoption law would simply result more discrimination against men. in adoption or custody cases, lesbians couples and single women would (still) be favored over gay/straight men, no matter what the law says. this is why the most equal law is a law that starts from child's right to both biological parents.

spermbanks and womb renting should be illegal.
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 08:37 PM   #186
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Re: Do you support Gay Marriage?

Yes. If two people love each other and want the state to recognize it then they should be allowed to do so. And they should be allowed to call it a "marriage"-period.

Having said that I also support the right of religious groups to marry (or not marry) whomever they choose to.

We'll see if Maryland becomes the first state this november to actually vote to make gay marriage legal rather than have it legislated.
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Old Aug 16th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #187
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Exactly. I don't think stupid, uneducated people should be allowed to have kids...but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.
Exactly I could name plenty of people around my age who are stupid, barely above retarded iq and are having kids
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Old Aug 17th, 2012, 01:40 PM   #188
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I think that the figure of both a father and a mother is very important, especially the mother, I just don't like the idea of two male homossexuals adopting children sorry.
Very important does not equal essential, and there are many ways of having a mother figure without having a physical mother around. Many children have mothers physically around who don't act as good mother figures.

So I find the second part of your statement to be something of logical non-sequitur and based in your own cultural prejudices rather than good social reasoning.
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Old Aug 17th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #189
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Very important does not equal essential, and there are many ways of having a mother figure without having a physical mother around. Many children have mothers physically around who don't act as good mother figures.

So I find the second part of your statement to be something of logical non-sequitur and based in your own cultural prejudices rather than good social reasoning.
I agree. I think humans as a species have the intelligence to understand that nature isn't always a pre-requisite for a functional family unit. From what I've heard/seen, gay fathers and gay mothers can carry out the same nuclear role.

The natural physical demands that a child needs from a mother aren't necessarily essential, but that's not to say I'm undermining the importance of the maternal influence.
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Old Aug 17th, 2012, 04:51 PM   #190
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Why? What makes a gay couple inherently worse at parenting than a 16 yearold single mum? Nothing at all.
You don't need to pick on single mums to make your point.

What makes the average gay couple inherently worse than the average straight couple at parenting? Nothing at all.
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Old Aug 17th, 2012, 07:29 PM   #191
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You don't need to pick on single mums to make your point.

What makes the average gay couple inherently worse than the average straight couple at parenting? Nothing at all.
Because comparing a heterosexual couple with a child to a homosexual couple with a child wouldn't prove my point. If lacking one of the "very important" parental figures is what makes homosexuals unsuitable parents then surely a 16 yearold single parent is an equally, if not more disagreeable prospect.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2013, 09:48 AM   #192
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Re: Do you support Gay Marriage?

The bill passed its first reading last year, and has been going through public consultations. Very hopeful that it will be passed by the end of this year or early next year
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Old Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:11 AM   #193
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Yes.

I think it's a crime against humanity to stop other people, or try and stop other people, from trying to find happiness through love.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2013, 09:01 PM   #194
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Re: Do you support Gay Marriage?

IMO, being of the same gender is not properly some "unique disqalifying factor". As the child of a longterm but essentially loveless heterosexual marriage, I can say that there'd properly be other reasons to prohibit a marriage, or for a government to order one dissolved. (Maybe all marriages should need 2B renewed every 10 years or so).

And I'd guess that parents who are heavy smokers (and-or drunks) can damage kids more than another couple free of those vices, who happen 2B of the same gender. I also have no specific objection to group marriages among consenting adults, FWIW. And a traditional nuclear family is not necessarily the best place for a child.

But the LA mall owner who banned Manny Pacquiao for being intolerant on this is being quite intolerant himself (like the politicians who wanted to ban Chik-Fil-A from opening in their cities last year). Again re. the last point, I'm all for the right to voluntarily boycott CFA, or any other business ppl find morally objectionable.

FWIW, I haven't voted (and won't vote) in this poll, because it implies a greater role for government in what a relationship is defined as than I think is proper. Things like next-of-kin status could be determined in other ways.
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Old Feb 3rd, 2013, 04:04 AM   #195
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IMO, being of the same gender is not properly some "unique disqalifying factor". As the child of a longterm but essentially loveless heterosexual marriage, I can say that there'd properly be other reasons to prohibit a marriage, or for a government to order one dissolved. (Maybe all marriages should need 2B renewed every 10 years or so).

And I'd guess that parents who are heavy smokers (and-or drunks) can damage kids more than another couple free of those vices, who happen 2B of the same gender. I also have no specific objection to group marriages among consenting adults, FWIW. And a traditional nuclear family is not necessarily the best place for a child.

But the LA mall owner who banned Manny Pacquiao for being intolerant on this is being quite intolerant himself (like the politicians who wanted to ban Chik-Fil-A from opening in their cities last year). Again re. the last point, I'm all for the right to voluntarily boycott CFA, or any other business ppl find morally objectionable.

FWIW, I haven't voted (and won't vote) in this poll, because it implies a greater role for government in what a relationship is defined as than I think is proper. Things like next-of-kin status could be determined in other ways.
Without meaning to go off topic, I think that the idea of group marriage is quite different to same sex marriage. Same sex marriage still involves two people in a committed relationship, the only different to a male-female relationship is well... science (similar genitalia)
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