[Bartosh]

you make Eastern Europeans look like some kind of progressive and liberal nations I start to feel really bad for LGBT minority (and human rights in general) in India just from reading your posts

in other news - Anna Grodzka, polish transsexual MP is probably going to be a deputy speaker of Parliament this is a big thing for us, especially as we are going trough a furious debate over civil unions

[Joana]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

so kissing in the streets for homosexuals is forbidden if only a child is staring at them, because it can affect his sexual orientation .......

[shap_half]

Originally Posted by Olórin

While I would still be interested to see some stats that actually prove that, in Brazil their Catholicism is counterbalanced somewhat by the fact their social attitude to sexuality in general is so much more open than in parts of the West where even talking about sex is still a faux-pas.

I am not going to be able to provide with you stats, but it's true. Mexico and Brazil, by population, are the two biggest Catholic countries in the world. The Philippines is third.

Originally Posted by Olórin

Sure, but I'd just like to reiterate that my point was regarding Brazil being the "biggest" Catholic country, of course South America is generally Catholic and as pointed out is very gay-tolerant. The thing is that despite Brazil's size Catholicism isn't institutionalised in the same way it is in the states which were formerly part of the Holy Roman Empire. So my point, I suppose, is that it's not really the "biggest" Catholic country in the world except in terms of population size.

As for Guyana, Belize - there is still a strong Christian presence and history of Catholicism in these countries. Generally where the Spanish went they Catholicised. I thought their stance on LGBT issues was more to do with the fact they are substantially poorer than Argentina, Brazil, even Peru and Mexico and don't have the "time" for more progressive social issues as opposed to the being overtly against LGBT rights due to their socio-religious make up of the countries on the whole.

The Philippines is also very gay-tolerant in a lot of ways, and totally not in other ways. I wasn't trying to point out that their Catholicism is the only reason for whatever social injustice happens in these countries when it comes to their gay citizens. I really want to know how you imagine these places to be gay-tolerant? I can speak about the Philippines because I was born and raised there, and up until two months go, sex education wasn't a public policy. Imagine what the legal stance is when it comes to things gay-related. The country doesn't recognize same-sex unions in any way as far as the law is concerned. There is no out gay celebrity who is not a cross-dresser.

Yes, I'm sure there's a very tolerant perspective in cities like DF, Sao Paulo and Rio, but what happens elsewhere?

And how else were you planning on defining "bigness" of Catholicism? What did you think I was trying to say?

And when was the States part of the Holy Roman Empire? When was any part of the Americas under Holy Roman Empire rule?

[NashaMasha]

Originally Posted by Lesborah

And what do you think? Do you agree ?

i think it should be more a custom than laws with sanctions, because such law even with good intentions can turn into instrument for discrimination

[Tennisation]

Originally Posted by $uricate

I caught gay off this forum

I got cured though.

Me too, but i relapse (by choice of course) ever so often so I can go back to the Christian bootcamp to hook up with other hot Christian boys

[shap_half]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

i think it should be more a custom than laws with sanctions, because such law even with good intentions can turn into instrument for discrimination

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, where's the good intention here?

[NashaMasha]

Originally Posted by shap_half

Oh, wait, I'm sorry, where's the good intention here?

good intention - not to influence children's development of sexual orientation. According to the last surveys a number of teenagers became homosexual because of not natural homosexuality but more because of social influence, perception of homosexuality as "catching on" and "prerogative of creative, successful artistic people"..

I think sexual orientation is what should be chosen by a person basing on his/her natural attraction and the less influence from the society - the better

[dybbuk]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

good intention - not to influence children's development of sexual orientation. According to the last surveys a number of teenagers became homosexual because of not natural homosexuality but more because of social influence, perception of homosexuality as "catching on" and "prerogative of creative, successful artistic people"..

I think sexual orientation is what should be chosen by a person basing on his/her natural attraction and the less influence from the society - the better

According to what "surveys." Scientifically rigorous ones, I assume?

[kwilliams]

NashaMasha, how could witnessing a homosexual act turn someone gay. I've witnessed COUNTLESS heterosexual acts throughout my entire life and I'm in no way heterosexual. Surely, this cockeyed theory would have to work both ways, no?

I mean, for a young person, why would an intimate act between two people of the same sex be soooo much more alluring, enamoring, fascinating or glamorous that it would change someone's orientation? In what way would it be so enticing? If a sexual act between two people who are the same sex arouses you, it's probably simply because you're gay!

SDG, you questioned homosexuality as a means of controlling population growth rates. Can you think of a cheaper, simpler, more effective way?

Also, thank you for alerting me to the fact that I have a super power. I'm going to be at the airport tomorrow and I am gonna hug every person I see, in both the arrivals and departures areas of both terminals. Dublin Airport is about to experience the biggest Gayfest/Sexual Awakening ever! My minions will then spread to countries around the world, hugging others and the growth rate will of course be exponential so keep your eyes peeled. Someone could be stalking you before you even see this post. They could strike at any moment (likely from behind, of course!) and you could be so overcome by the pleasure of that hug that you'll be at least 70% gay, maybe 80% if temptation leads you opt for the "mind-control massage."

I need volunteers to go to Russia actually, we need to give Putin a hug before this legislation is put through!!

[Nicolás89]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

good intention - not to influence children's development of sexual orientation. According to the last surveys a number of teenagers became homosexual because of not natural homosexuality but more because of social influence, perception of homosexuality as "catching on" and "prerogative of creative, successful artistic people"..

I think sexual orientation is what should be chosen by a person basing on his/her natural attraction and the less influence from the society - the better

Yeah being gay must be so cool that's why people want to ban homosexual display on the streets.

[homogenius]

Originally Posted by Start da Game

i once read on MTF that a straight person had a casual massage with his bud and it eventually over a few weeks lead to sex and turned him 80% homosexual.....

Yeah male-to-male contacts can be risky.Same thing happened to Rafa when he let Feliciano massages his bulge.True story.

[NashaMasha]

Originally Posted by dybbuk

According to what "surveys." Scientifically rigorous ones, I assume?

almost all surveys which someone disagrees are scientifically rigorous for him , and those surveys which he agrees to are creadible ....

how could witnessing a homosexual act turn someone gay. I've witnessed COUNTLESS heterosexual acts throughout my entire life and I'm in no way heterosexual. Surely, this cockeyed theory would have to work both ways, no?

it's enough to compare the % of homosexuals in westerns countries and for instance in muslim countries. Same for big cities like San Francisco or Sao Paolo , where about 15% of population are homosexuals and let's take small cities in these countries where there are less social propaganda and the % will be significantly lower , about 5%
And i think biological homosexuals are approximately equal(in number) among all nations and countries

[Cajka]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

good intention - not to influence children's development of sexual orientation. According to the last surveys a number of teenagers became homosexual because of not natural homosexuality but more because of social influence, perception of homosexuality as "catching on" and "prerogative of creative, successful artistic people"..

I think sexual orientation is what should be chosen by a person basing on his/her natural attraction and the less influence from the society - the better

I don't know why people still buy the society influence story. It's not like an alcohol use, something that you'll consume in social situations to be more accepted among your peers.

[dybbuk]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

almost all surveys which someone disagrees are scientifically rigorous for him , and those surveys which he agrees to are creadible ....



it's enough to compare the % of homosexuals in westerns countries and for instance in muslim countries. Same for big cities like San Francisco or Sao Paolo , where about 15% of population are homosexuals and let's take small cities in these countries where there are less social propaganda and the % will be significantly lower , about 5%
And i think biological homosexuals are approximately equal(in number) among all nations and countries

So what surveys then?

How is that enough? That doesn't prove the amount of "biological homosexuals" is lower. It just means that there's obviously much more incentive to stay in the closet if you live in Saudia Arabia and you could be killed or jailed for being gay. And the difference between cities and small towns reflects the proven trend of gay people migrating to cities from small towns.

[Joana]

Jesus Christ, this better be another DaMamaJama-style troll.
I mean, WTF.