[coolfish1103]

Originally Posted by SAISAI-GOAT

so the fact that Na beat Aga must be good for me right

That depends on if other top players bomb out.

Originally Posted by lizzard11120

I Fail at this

First time I am sure many people don't get the rules. It should get better next time!

I will try to revise the rules so whoever posts first tie-break won't be used so often.

[coolfish1103]

Scoreboard - After Quarterfinals

Posts	Participants	Total
		
0458	SAISAI-GOAT	63
0457	feifei  	63
0563	luvwilliams	63
0446	Drake1980	63
0224	tina110 	63
0229	valac222	63
0217	Cheda 16.17	63
0336	traddles	63
0572	supertec	62
0341	Heinann 	61
0345	OhNaNa  	61
0338	charmedRic	60
0227	Hidalgo 	59
0574	taloki  	59
0344	Barktra 	59
0566	anthonyqld	58
0575	champion88	58
0451	Reephoria.	58
0568	come on lena	57
0453	coolfish1103	57
0221	Chilenaitor	56
0455	Meelis  	55
0459	plokploky	55
0448	HateBlackouts02	55
0573	DiRenan 	54
0222	goOudinUSA	54
0333	lolada_4	54
0454	JustPetko	54
0449	rbfilipe	50
0226	Monzanator	47
0571	lizzard11120	46
0569	JustWonderful	39
0331	Igorche 	23
0460	Buitenzorg	23
0342	Kylger  	23

Eight leads after quarterfinals.

Someone has Sharapova for Hand 1, may have invalid hands at the end if she wins.

[Buitenzorg]

I don't really get this game.

after R16 I've got 55pts and after QF I only have 23pts?

[coolfish1103]

Originally Posted by Buitenzorg

I don't really get this game.

after R16 I've got 55pts and after QF I only have 23pts?

Intermediate updates are not final results.

As the round goes, a hand may be valid or invalid based on the players the participant chose and how far the players have advanced.

After Quarterfinals, for your hand:

Hand 1 - Ivanovic = 3 points
Hand 2 - Li Na/Sharapova = 5+5 = 10 points
Hand 3 - Azarenka/S.Williams/A.Radwanska = 5+4+4 = 13 points

To receive valid hand points,

Hand 1 is always valid,
Hand 2 must be > than Hand 1,
Hand 3 must be > than Hand 1 + Hand 2,

So you received 3 + 10(2) + 13(0) = 23 points

You received 0 points for Hand 3 because 13 is not > (10+3).

Your third hand will become valid after the final if Azarenka wins the Australian Open, because

Hand 2 - Li Na/Sharapova = 5+6 (or 6+5) = 11 points
Hand 3 - Azarenka/S.Williams/A.Radwanska = 7+4+4 = 15 points

and 15 > (11+3).

Currently, you, Igorche, and Kylger are all in this situation.

I hope it makes more sense now.

[coolfish1103]

Scoreboard - After Semifinals

Posts	Participants	Total
		
0458	SAISAI-GOAT	69
0446	Drake1980	69
0457	feifei  	68
0563	luvwilliams	68
0224	tina110 	68
0229	valac222	68
0217	Cheda 16.17	68
0336	traddles	68
0341	Heinann 	67
0572	supertec	67
0345	OhNaNa  	66
0227	Hidalgo 	64
0574	taloki  	64
0575	champion88	64
0451	Reephoria.	64
0344	Barktra 	64
0566	anthonyqld	63
0453	coolfish1103	63
0338	charmedRic	63
0459	plokploky	61
0568	come on lena	60
0448	HateBlackouts02	60
0221	Chilenaitor	59
0455	Meelis  	58
0573	DiRenan 	57
0222	goOudinUSA	57
0333	lolada_4	57
0454	JustPetko	57
0449	rbfilipe	53
0226	Monzanator	50
0571	lizzard11120	48
0569	JustWonderful	42
0331	Igorche 	25
0460	Buitenzorg	25
0342	Kylger  	25

Since Sharapova lost, Drake1980 has won the tournament by tie-break (first to post).

Congratulations!

NA-MUG

[SAISAI-GOAT]

first to post tiebreak

was that publicized in the rules

can't we just be joint winners of this 1st event, after all this is the "test season"

[Kylger]

Since my Hand 1+2 is equal with the score of Hand 3 it's invalid right now? If Azarenka wins will my Hand 3 will be valid then?

I don't understand how the bonuses work! Since my Hand 2 is better than Hand 1, my points are doubles for Hand 2. My Hand 3 doesn't have to be better than Hand 1 + (Hand 2)x2 right?

EDIT - never mind the first part , you explained it above but the bonuses are what I wrote right?

[Drake1980]

[coolfish1103]

Originally Posted by SAISAI-GOAT

first to post tiebreak

was that publicized in the rules

can't we just be joint winners of this 1st event, after all this is the "test season"

It's in the rules

Well I already saw this happening when I see lots of people placing same picks. Since it's a test season so additional rules will be changed in the later tournaments to make sure this tie break rule isn't used very often.

Any suggestions?

1. Each participant's pick must be unique to each other. No duplicates.
2. Add a sudden death hand by picking 1 player and the rounds the player reaches.
- Compare the rounds that the chosen player has reached, if equal
- Whoever guessed the right player in the right round, if equal, then use the original rules
- Players who do not place sudden death picks will forfeit the rights to use tie-break

Hopefully that will reduce the amount of similar picks and lead to less tie-breaks.

Originally Posted by Kylger

Since my Hand 1+2 is equal with the score of Hand 3 it's invalid right now? If Azarenka wins will my Hand 3 will be valid then?

I don't understand how the bonuses work! Since my Hand 2 is better than Hand 1, my points are doubles for Hand 2. My Hand 3 doesn't have to be better than Hand 1 + (Hand 2)x2 right?

EDIT - never mind the first part , you explained it above but the bonuses are what I wrote right?

If Azarenka wins the tournament your third hand will become valid again. Only raw points are used to compare valid hands, no bonuses included. Once a hand is valid, they will earn bonuses (x2) or (x3) according to which hand it is.

[Kylger]

Originally Posted by coolfish1103

It's in the rules

Well I already saw this happening when I see lots of people placing same picks. Since it's a test season so additional rules will be changed in the later tournaments to make sure this tie break rule isn't used very often.

Any suggestions?

1. Each participant's pick must be unique to each other. No duplicates.
2. Add a sudden death hand by picking 1 player and the rounds the player reaches.
- Compare the rounds that the chosen player has reached, if equal
- Whoever guessed the right player in the right round, if equal, then use the original rules
- Players who do not place sudden death picks will forfeit the rights to use tie-break

Hopefully that will reduce the amount of similar picks and lead to less tie-breaks.

The 1st option is not thinkable, especially in 32 draw. There is only so many options one can choose.

Love the 2nd option though. That would be cool.

[coolfish1103]

Scoreboard - Final

Posts	Participants	Total
		
446	Drake1980	72 TB First Post
458	SAISAI-GOAT	72
217	Cheda 16.17	71 TB First Post
224	tina110 	71 TB Second Post
229	valac222	71 TB Third Post
336	traddles	71 TB Fourth Post
457	feifei  	71 TB Fifth Post
563	luvwilliams	71 TB Sixth Post
331	Igorche  	70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, First Post
342	Kylger  	70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, Second Post
460	Buitenzorg	70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, Third Post
572	supertec	70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 66
341	Heinann  	70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 65
345	OhNaNa  	69
451	Reephoria.	67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, TB Hands 3 = 51
574	taloki  	67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, TB Hands 3 = 45
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344	Barktra  	67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 66
575	champion88	67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 65
227	Hidalgo 	67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 63
338	charmedRic	66
453	coolfish1103	66
566	anthonyqld	66
459	plokploky	64
448	HateBlackouts02	63
568	come on lena	63
221	Chilenaitor	62
455	Meelis  	61
222	goOudinUSA	60
333	lolada_4	60
454	JustPetko	60
573	DiRenan  	60
449	rbfilipe	56
226	Monzanator	53
571	lizzard11120	48
569	JustWonderful	42

[coolfish1103]

Ranking Points - After Australian Open

Top 16 finishers receive bonus ranking points.

Rank	Participants	Points
		
1	Drake1980	1152
2	SAISAI-GOAT	921.6
3	Cheda 16.17	681.6
3	tina110 	681.6
5	valac222	454.4
5	traddles	454.4
5	feifei  	454.4
5	luvwilliams	454.4
9	Igorche 	224
9 	Kylger  	224
9	Buitenzorg	224
9	supertec	224
9	Heinann 	224
14	OhNaNa  	220.8
15	Reephoria.	214.4
15	taloki  	214.4
17	Barktra 	67
17	champion88	67
17	Hidalgo 	67
20	coolfish1103	66
20	anthonyqld	66
20	charmedRic	66
23	plokploky	64
24	HateBlackouts02	63
24	come on lena	63
26	Chilenaitor	62
27	Meelis  	61
28	goOudinUSA	60
28	lolada_4	60
28	JustPetko	60
28	DiRenan 	60
32	rbfilipe	56
33	Monzanator	53
34	lizzard11120	48
35	JustWonderful	42

Thank you for participating in Three Hands. Congratulations to Drake1980!

Next tournament will be in Doha with some rule changes to fix the tie break system.

Please give your opinion on how to do tie breaks in this thread (or in the Doha thread).

Final tie-break decision will be made before the main draw in Doha is out.

[coolfish1103]

NEW Proposed Rule Changes:

Option 1. No duplicate picks. You can have 5 players being the same with any given pick that's already posted, but the last one has to be new.

- In a draw with the least amount of players possible: 28 players
- 28!/6!22! = 28*27*26*25*24*23/6*5*4*3*2*1 = 376,740 combinations.

This will attempt to fix the number of similar picks but picks might still earn same amount of points because 14-16 players will lose in R32, 8 will lose in R16, 4 will lose in QF, 2 will lose in SF, 1 will lose in F. Tie-break rule will not change in this case.

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Option 2. A sudden death hand. Everyone has to place a sudden death hand with 1 player (cannot be the same players chosen in the three hands) and the round the selected player loses.

- Additional tie-break rule will then be introduced for the sudden death hand should points earned between the players are equal and splitting points on valid hands will not yield results.

Tournament Tie Break:

- Number of Valid Hands, if equal
- Total points acquired in Hands 2 & 3, if equal
- Total points acquired in Hand 3, if equal
- Total points acquires in Hand 2, if equal
- Points on Sudden Death Pick, if equal
- Correct Round Sudden Death Pick, if equal
- Round deviations, if equal
- Lower ranking of the player chosen

To explain:

If everything else is equal (by taking out who posted the hands first), sudden death picks will be used to compare results. If sudden death picks yield same amount of points, then the predicted rounds will be used. If all the players predicted the rounds that the player advanced incorrectly, deviations of the rounds will be used. If that still does not produce a result, then the ranking of the player chosen will be used.To award risk takers, by choosing the player with a lower rank will yield the tie-break win.

Example (if there's a tie-break):

coolfish1103 picked Ivanovic for Round 32 in Australian Open
Drake1980 picked Kerber for QF in Australian Open

Compare results...

Ivanovic = Kerber = R16

Correct rounds?

Ivanovic R16 =/= R32
Kerber R16 =/= QF

Deviations:

Ivanovic -1 (R16-R32)
Kerber -1 (R16-QF)

Ranking:

Ivanovic < Kerber, Ivanovic ranked lower.

coolfish1103 would win the tie-break.

Any other suggestions are welcome.

Final call before main draw Doha, feel free to discuss here or in the Doha thread that will be opened during Fed Cup week.

[Kylger]

At least I finished in Top 10 with the first event