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Old Jan 25th, 2013, 03:17 AM   #676
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Congratulations to Li Na. She had a cakewalk draw to the QF like everybody else, but she turned up to play some serious tennis since then.

I have to say I'm a little bit surprised that Sharapova didn't benefit from the faster court. I thought that it would help to limit the huge advantage Li has with her great footwork compared to Sharapova's poor one. But it turned out the opposite.

As for those who claim Sharapova played awful, or even the worst match ever, that is nonsense. She played as good or better (in the first set for sure) than against, say, Makarova. However, a confident Li is just an awful matchup for her, especially on _that_ HC. Li a much, much better mover, her footwork is leagues above Sharapova, all Li needs is the right game plan and Sharapova will always be forced to serve perfect and go for early winners. Radwanska did a good job to stay in the rallies and make Li work, and Radwanska was able to get an UE from Li after a long rally. But Sharapova cannot defend, she cannot reset a rally like Azarenka or S.Williams, not on HC at least.

I was utterly surprised by Li, not in term of her game, but with her attitude. She was calm and looked like she was there to play some serious tennis - and not like the usual "I'm in a GS SF, OMG, OMG".
I'm glad someone else sees this. The strategy and attitude of Li made the difference here, not exceptionally poor play from Sharapova. Much credit has to be given to Carlos Rodriguez I think.
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Old Jan 25th, 2013, 03:27 AM   #677
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This shows again that when Na is on her game, she can outplay anyone and Sharapova simply does not have the tools to break her rhythm. People bashed Clijsters because she threw in slices and loopy balls when Li was outplaying her, but if Maria would only have been able to do that, it could have been a different match.
Good point, unfortunately Sharapova doesn't have a plan B like Clijsters does. The thing is, I believe it's totally within Sharapova's power and ability to just put a little margin on her shots when she needs to (such as developing a loopier topspin shot for emergencies). Learn to slice when she is stretched out to the backhand. Serena learned both of these. Why not Sharapova? I do acknowledge though that her defense has gotten a bit better recently.
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This shows again that when Na is on her game, she can outplay anyone and Sharapova simply does not have the tools to break her rhythm. People bashed Clijsters because she threw in slices and loopy balls when Li was outplaying her, but if Maria would only have been able to do that, it could have been a different match.
Why would people bash Clijsters for not being a one-dimensional clown like Sharapova and actually changing things up?
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I honestly wonder if people even watch matches sometimes.
Li wasn't outhitting anyone, she played a very high % game by her standards as she has been doing most of the tournament, waiting until a winner was NID before going for one. That's why it wasn't closer, because it ensured all UEs were from Maria's end instead of Li gifting back games. Although it also allowed Maria to have an opportunity to win virtually every game despite playing poorly so I'm not sure how it will work in future.
I strongly feel that Li should stick with this game plan as her basis, but she'll have to gauge what situation or opponent would she need to play more aggressively, change game plan, etc. Her current play reminds me much of Agassi's "punisher" tennis.

I seems many posters don't play tennis, aren't students of the game's strategies, or are too wrapped up in fangirl ecstasy or disappointment.
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Let's call this bitch-slap fest to an end, OK?
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I strongly feel that Li should stick with this game plan as her basis, but she'll have to gauge what situation or opponent would she need to play more aggressively, change game plan, etc. Her current play reminds me much of Agassi's "punisher" tennis.

I seems many posters don't play tennis, aren't students of the game's strategies, or are too wrapped up in fangirl ecstasy or disappointment.
I'm not sure if that was directed towards me considering I'm one of the few people who has actually discussed the tennis of the match.

Well she's in the final so the new game plan has worked, it's hard to gauge its long term success at this point. I mean if Maria had have been firing maybe Li would have went for more and made it but we won't know until we see them both playing well at the same time.

I was very impressed with Li's composure though, sure she was ahead all the time but that has never stopped her from choking or getting nervous before. There wasn't a hint of that on court yesterday.
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Re: Li Na def Maria Sharapova 6-2 6-2

Two things surprised me in this match: The way Na kept her composure and concentration while being in the lead, and how mentally flat Sharapova came out from start to end. Na's patient tennis ultimately paid off and she should beat Azarenka going on form thus far.

Has Maria been tinkering with her serve again? The motion from trophy position to follow through looks much more like the way it did pre-surgery.
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Two things surprised me in this match: The way Na kept her composure and concentration while being in the lead, and how mentally flat Sharapova came out from start to end. Na's patient tennis ultimately paid off and she should beat Azarenka going on form thus far.

Has Maria been tinkering with her serve again
? The motion from trophy position to follow through looks much more like the way it did pre-surgery.
I don't know. Her performance was just too good in her AO R3 match. Then she played very average in her AO QF match.
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I'm not sure if that was directed towards me considering I'm one of the few people who has actually discussed the tennis of the match.

Well she's in the final so the new game plan has worked, it's hard to gauge its long term success at this point. I mean if Maria had have been firing maybe Li would have went for more and made it but we won't know until we see them both playing well at the same time.

I was very impressed with Li's composure though, sure she was ahead all the time but that has never stopped her from choking or getting nervous before. There wasn't a hint of that on court yesterday.
Oops I realize I wasn't clear. I quoted you because I agreed with you and felt your posts have actual constructive content regarding this match.

I think Sharapova wasn't able to fire away in big part because Li was moving the ball (hence moving Maria) around the court very well with good depth of shot that had margin, unlike Li's usual style in previous years. The new confidence is a key factor. It's easier to feel confident when Li has the mentality (seems to me) that she doesn't have to bash every ball away perfectly for a winner AND to know what she needs to do even if she misses a few shots. In the first game or two, she missed a couple of loopy shots and she show frustration because those were supposed to be safe shots that don't miss. But she stuck to the plan, put so much consistent pressure on Maria that Maria felt she needed to play perfect shots to win points. That's why Maria "looked bad" I think.

But yes, only time will tell for certain though.

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Did I misinterpret or what??

Q. Obviously tennis is getting very popular in your country because of you. Your hometown is going to have a big tournament in 2014. How big is that for you?
LI NA: How big is for me?

Q. Yes.
LI NA: I'm always same way.


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The WTA gave Maria two easy unranked players in the first two rounds who had nothing to hurt Maria with. So the 6-0, 6-0 wins in the first two rounds meant nothing. As usual they were building her up more than they should have.

As far as Venus is concerned, I don't know what was her problem because she didn't even show up. When Venus came back from her illness last year, she played Maria harder than this and Maria won because of a few errors in Venus' game. And by the time Venus did decide to get a clue and start fighting, the match was over.

Na Li has always had the power and game to beat Maria. Her problem was her head game. But one thing that I've noticed is that Carlos is making Li hit her forehands with the same type of speed that he employed with Justine. Carlos understands tennis, court positioning, and he studies the weaknesses of the opponent, and he made Li exploit all of Maria's weaknesses just like Venus use to do at Wimbledon, and like Serena does.

Like I said, I don't know why Venus chose not to come out fighting. Oh well, next time.

And another thing is that Li and the other players had to battle in some of their earlier rounds and they are more match tough than Maria, and it showed. Maria just spent her first 5 games standing on the baseline bashing the ball and acing and beating her opponents easily. Well Li forced her off the baseline and made her run, and she did it with speed, great serving, court positioning, and executing a well thought out game plan for Maria.

Carolos was going to make sure Li beat Maria on Rod Laver arena to rub it in her former coach's face and let him know that although he left Li to coach Maria, that Maria was still the same slow ball basher with no plan B.

And for those who think Maria wasn't playing her game, she was. Na just exploited her weaknesses and it made Maria crumble.

I mean, go back to Wimbledon and see how Venus was beating her 6-1, 6-2 or 6-1, 6-3. Look how Serena would beat her 6-1, 6-0. They did that because they exploited her weaknesses. If the opponent doesn't exploit her weaknesses it will seem like Maria is playing better than she really is. Just look how easily Vika beat her last year at the AO. She beat her easily because Vika exploited her weaknesses.


It's only when they don't exploit her weaknesses, it seems like Maria is playing better when in fact she isn't playing any better.

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Absolutely shocked at this outcome. Did not see this coming at all! WOW



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The WTA gave Maria two easy unranked players in the first two rounds who had nothing to hurt Maria with. So the 6-0, 6-0 wins in the first two rounds meant nothing. As usual they were building her up more than they should have.

As far as Venus is concerned, I don't know what was her problem because she didn't even show up. When Venus came back from her illness last year, she played Maria harder than this and Maria won because of a few errors in Venus' game. And by the time Venus did decide to get a clue and start fighting, the match was over.

Na Li has always had the power and game to beat Maria. Her problem was her head game. But one thing that I've noticed is that Carlos is making Li hit her forehands with the same type of speed that he employed with Justine. Carlos understands tennis, court positioning, and he studies the weaknesses of the opponent, and he made Li exploit all of Maria's weaknesses just like Venus use to do at Wimbledon, and like Serena does.

Like I said, I don't know why Venus chose not to come out fighting. Oh well, next time.

And another thing is that Li and the other players had to battle in some of their earlier rounds and they are more match tough than Maria, and it showed. Maria just spent her first 5 games standing on the baseline bashing the ball and acing and beating her opponents easily. Well Li forced her off the baseline and made her run, and she did it with speed, great serving, court positioning, and executing a well thought out game plan for Maria.

Carolos was going to make sure Li beat Maria on Rod Laver arena to rub it in her former coach's face and let him know that although he left Li to coach Maria, that Maria was still the same slow ball basher with no plan B.

And for those who think Maria wasn't playing her game, she was. Na just exploited her weaknesses and it made Maria crumble.

I mean, go back to Wimbledon and see how Venus was beating her 6-1, 6-2 or 6-1, 6-3. Look how Serena would beat her 6-1, 6-0. They did that because they exploited her weaknesses. If the opponent doesn't exploit her weaknesses it will seem like Maria is playing better than she really is. Just look how easily Vika beat her last year at the AO. She beat her easily because Vika exploited her weaknesses.


It's only when they don't exploit her weaknesses, it seems like Maria is playing better when in fact she isn't playing any better.

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