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View Poll Results: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Henin wins on all surfaces including grass (aka delusional Henintards) 2 1.74%
Venus wins on all surfaces including clay (aka delusional Venustards) 14 12.17%
Henin wins on all but grass 22 19.13%
Venus wins on all but clay 57 49.57%
They split depending on the surfaces (Henin indoors, rebound ace, clay, Venus grass and medium to fast outdoor courts) 20 17.39%
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Old Dec 20th, 2012, 12:56 AM   #76
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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genuine question: why is every loss handin and kimothy suffered before they won slams this huge indicator as to why the losses are invalid??? weren't they good enough then to beat everyone else in the field (reaching semis and winning wta titles) except 2 players??
You make it sound like Henin and Clijsters were dominating the field outside the Williams in 2001 and 2002, but if you believe that you apparently were in a coma. Their 2002 slam results for instance:

Australian Open- Henin loses to Clijsters in quarters, wins only 5 games, Clijsters loses 6-1 in final set to Capriati in semis.

French Open- Henin loses 1st round to some player I cant even remember, Clijsters 3rd round to Clarissa Fernandez.

Wimbledon- Henin loses semis to Venus, Clijsters loses 2nd round to an old Likhovtseva

U.S Open- Henin lost round of 16 to Hantuchova, Clijsters loses round of 16 to Mauresmo.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

To be honest, I dont think a peak Serena can beat a peak Venus. Venus was a BEAST when she was on her game. She was fast, volleys well, consistent, good ground strokes, fastest first serve...it just kinda started falling apart in 2004....and was only consistent on grass. Justine Henin will always be #3 behind peak Williams Sisters in my opinion. I did LOVE Justine's game she was very feisty on the court and a respected player, but the Williams Sisters changed the game with their level of play and she had to rise to the level that THEY set.
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Old Dec 20th, 2012, 07:29 AM   #78
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To be honest, I dont think a peak Serena can beat a peak Venus.
Hahaha that is a good laugh. Venus only once in her career made an Australian Open final and a French Open final. She only once in her career made 4 slam finals in a row, and 5 out of 6. This occured guess when? Oh yeah the period she lost 5 straight slam finals to Serena, despite what I mentioned proving beyond a doubt she was playing her peak tennis.

Venus seems to be insanely overrated on this forum. Better than peak Henin on all surfaces, including clay, where a baby nowhere near prime Henin beat peak Venus 6-4, 6-1 in their first ever match on clay. Better than peak Serena who beat her in 5 straight slam finals in the only time in Venus's career she was good enough to make so many slam finals in a row. What a joke.
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To be honest, I dont think a peak Serena can beat a peak Venus. Venus was a BEAST when she was on her game. She was fast, volleys well, consistent, good ground strokes, fastest first serve...it just kinda started falling apart in 2004....and was only consistent on grass. Justine Henin will always be #3 behind peak Williams Sisters in my opinion. I did LOVE Justine's game she was very feisty on the court and a respected player, but the Williams Sisters changed the game with their level of play and she had to rise to the level that THEY set.
That beast just barely beat Hingis in two grand slam matches, in two fast courts, like Wimbledon and Usopen.
Serena in fact cleared the path for others and remarked how flawed Venus tecnique is on her forehand, and many others followed.
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That beast just barely beat Hingis in two grand slam matches, in two fast courts, like Wimbledon and Usopen.
Serena in fact cleared the path for others and remarked how flawed Venus tecnique is on her forehand, and many others followed.
I guess you refer to the defeats of Hingis at Wimbledon and Us Open in 2000. I'd say the Venus of 2000 is not yet Peak Venus, even though she picked up her first two slams this year. No, the BEAST peak Venus came to life at US hardcourts in 2001-2002. Truly an unstoppable force. Ask Clijsters, Davenport, Seles, Capriati, who all had the honor of receiving one or more straight set defeats by BEAST peak Venus in this time.
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Hahaha that is a good laugh. Venus only once in her career made an Australian Open final and a French Open final. She only once in her career made 4 slam finals in a row, and 5 out of 6. This occured guess when? Oh yeah the period she lost 5 straight slam finals to Serena, despite what I mentioned proving beyond a doubt she was playing her peak tennis.

Venus seems to be insanely overrated on this forum. Better than peak Henin on all surfaces, including clay, where a baby nowhere near prime Henin beat peak Venus 6-4, 6-1 in their first ever match on clay. Better than peak Serena who beat her in 5 straight slam finals in the only time in Venus's career she was good enough to make so many slam finals in a row. What a joke.
All credits to Henin in that 6-4 6-1 match, she truly played an unbeliavable match, painting all the lines white. Even Venus said afterwards that "if she plays every match like this, she will be number 1".

How can a player like Venus Williams, 7 times GS winner, be overrated? She is one of the most influencial and historical woman athletes of this time. If anything, her inconsistent results after her PEAK years makes people underrate her. But yes Henin was the superiour clay court player of the two.
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To be honest, I dont think a peak Serena can beat a peak Venus. Venus was a BEAST when she was on her game. She was fast, volleys well, consistent, good ground strokes, fastest first serve...it just kinda started falling apart in 2004....and was only consistent on grass. Justine Henin will always be #3 behind peak Williams Sisters in my opinion. I did LOVE Justine's game she was very feisty on the court and a respected player, but the Williams Sisters changed the game with their level of play and she had to rise to the level that THEY set.
I couldn't agree more. This is totally right. I believe Venus Williams is the best athlete to have ever played tennis. Her athleticism alone got her to major finals
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So funny that an overrated Venus Williams suffering majorly with Sjogrens in 2010 with very little match play shows up at the US Open and makes the Semi's and takes the eventual champion down to the biting nails end. #I'mjustsaying
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Venus is the only player in history that can hit 70 unforced errors in a match and still win or get close to winning in a 3rd set tiebreak.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

hard to think of peak venus because, for the most part, it was a million years ago. that said, i think she could overpower henin everywhere but clay. on clay no active player has a chance against peak henin.
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2003 was the best barometer of peak vs peak and Venus smashed Henin on one of her weaker surfaces in straight sets. The claim that Venus was near her peak in 2007 while Henin was far away from hers in 2003 is just laughable. Compare Henin's 2003 record of SF, W, SF, W (slams), 6 titles to Venus' 2007 record of DNP, 3R, W, SF (slams), 2 titles.
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I couldn't agree more. This is totally right. I believe Venus Williams is the best athlete to have ever played tennis. Her athleticism alone got her to major finals
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So funny that an overrated Venus Williams suffering majorly with Sjogrens in 2010 with very little match play shows up at the US Open and makes the Semi's and takes the eventual champion down to the biting nails end. #I'mjustsaying
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Yeah jrollaneres is a true Venus crazy.

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I think peak wins only on clay vs peak Venus.
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