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View Poll Results: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Henin wins on all surfaces including grass (aka delusional Henintards) 2 1.74%
Venus wins on all surfaces including clay (aka delusional Venustards) 14 12.17%
Henin wins on all but grass 22 19.13%
Venus wins on all but clay 57 49.57%
They split depending on the surfaces (Henin indoors, rebound ace, clay, Venus grass and medium to fast outdoor courts) 20 17.39%
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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 08:02 PM   #61
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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I thought peak threads had gone out of fashion? Anyway, it is about your idea of peak vs mine, and you don't wanna know how badly my idea of peak Juju would brutalize every player that every played . But of course, with all the posts here, we are gifted gloriously over-the-top visions of these acid trips involving Venus anyway
You sound so pressed about this thread/poll results lol! I'm just saying....
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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #62
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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Peak Venus wins on all except Clay. Peak Venus is better than Peak Henin. That damn Serena messed it up for Venus, because it would be Venus with over 10 Grand Slams.

Such crap. It's Venus' own fault that she lost so many Slam finals against Serena (while Henin has a winning H2H with Serena in the Slams )
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Venus wins everywhere. Even on clay.
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Venus wins everywhere. Even on clay.
I don't get why Venus-tards think she'd even stand a chance on clay, there's a reason why one of them has 4 French Open titles and the other has 0.

Just silliness IMO.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Every but clay, Venus wins. I'd expect tight matches on Hard court tho, but grass court would be a total crush move for Venus.
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I don't get why Venus-tards think she'd even stand a chance on clay, there's a reason why one of them has 4 French Open titles and the other has 0.

Just silliness IMO.
Its because everyone judges "Peak"to mean too many different things. Whatever your personal definition is, Peak Venus is no W/O on any surface. Not saying Justine is either but one is a bit more physically imposing than the other lol.
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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 08:55 PM   #67
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

What's this myth of Claynus?
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I don't get why Venus-tards think she'd even stand a chance on clay, there's a reason why one of them has 4 French Open titles and the other has 0.

Just silliness IMO.
I don't necessarily think Venus would win her H2H against Henin on clay, but it's not like it's completely unreasonable for some to think so. The thread isn't asking for who is greater on each surface, but who would win in a Peak vs Peak meeting. And with Venus leading their H2H 7-2(1-1 on clay, though Venus' win was in three and Henin's was in straights.) The closest they've ever come to meeting eachother during their primes would be on slow rebound ace at 2003 Australian Open SF, where Venus won 6-3 6-3. Of course if you compare their career accomplishments it's Henin > Venus on clay without question, but due to the nature of their matchup it would be interesting to see
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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #69
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Since when is 2003 AO SF considered closest to their primes?? Henin had not even won her 1st Slam. 2007 USO SF (in before mentions of anemia, Sjogren's etc) is way closer. Both had won Slams that year, in fact Venus at 2007 W was scary good in her last matches, and was considered a huge threat at the USO as well the way she was playing.

I guess people like to think that their faves at their peak would not be bothered by ANYTHING, including good varied play, strong offense and creative defense, but just swat away winner after winner in 6-0, 6-0 double-golden-set routs.

Sorry people, there is just 1 peak Pierce.
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Since when is 2003 AO SF considered closest to their primes?? Henin had not even won her 1st Slam. 2007 USO SF (in before mentions of anemia, Sjogren's etc) is way closer. Both had won Slams that year, in fact Venus at 2007 W was scary good in her last matches, and was considered a huge threat at the USO as well the way she was playing.
Saying that Justine had not even won her first slam is a bit of a misrepresentation. That was in a year that her slam results were SF/W/SF/W, only comparable to two other calendar years she had (2007's DNP/W/SF/W and 2006's F/W/F/F.) IIRC Venus was the #2 seed and Justine was the #4 seed, it's not like they were worlds apart. It's disingenuous to try and write that one off, just because it was a couple of months before her first official slam. It's not like her form changed by any degree worth noting after the AO, her improvement in results was due largely to the change of surface.

2007 USO was Henin at her absolute apex on a HC and Venus playing well for her post-prime standards, so it's a close second in my book. And saying "inb4" something doesn't make it any less true. Frankly, I will never consider a match of Venus' from 2007-on a good representation of her peak capabilities because regardless of how good her serve, return, groundstrokes may be, having a fatigue-inducing autoimmune disease means you will ALWAYS be at a disadvantage against a healthy athlete, especially a world class one such as Henin... Especially when one of your greatest attributes was your athleticism/physical superiority to all contemporaries bar Serena or Kim.

And I won't even dignify that second paragraph with a response since I never suggested anything like that.
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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #71
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Who fucking cares.

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Since when is 2003 AO SF considered closest to their primes?? Henin had not even won her 1st Slam. 2007 USO SF (in before mentions of anemia, Sjogren's etc) is way closer. Both had won Slams that year, in fact Venus at 2007 W was scary good in her last matches, and was considered a huge threat at the USO as well the way she was playing.

I guess people like to think that their faves at their peak would not be bothered by ANYTHING, including good varied play, strong offense and creative defense, but just swat away winner after winner in 6-0, 6-0 double-golden-set routs.

Sorry people, there is just 1 peak Pierce.

genuine question: why is every loss handin and kimothy suffered before they won slams this huge indicator as to why the losses are invalid??? weren't they good enough then to beat everyone else in the field (reaching semis and winning wta titles) except 2 players??
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Such crap. It's Venus' own fault that she lost so many Slam finals against Serena (while Henin has a winning H2H with Serena in the Slams )
We are well aware Venus lost fair and square, I"m just saying, if Serena wasn't soooo good, Venus would have over 10 slams.
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genuine question: why is every loss handin and kimothy suffered before they won slams this huge indicator as to why the losses are invalid??? weren't they good enough then to beat everyone else in the field (reaching semis and winning wta titles) except 2 players??
Take a second. Breathe deep... then READ. I said close to their peaks. I'd love to see any Williams fan claim their peaks were in 1998-99. Anyone? Thought so? Quite obviously, everyone will pick Slam-winning form as one's peak.

Besides, Justine and Kim had beaten one or the other before winning their first Slams.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Venus is insanely overrated on this poll. Even one eight of people picking her to win on clay, is that freaking insane. Venus would be lucky to get 3 games off peak Henin on clay. Their matches on grass would be closer than clay. Anyway I picked the last option, but it could easily be Henin on all but grass too.
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