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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 09:24 PM   #76
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I have to say she doesnīt look that bad in the pictures, still a little overweight, but no worse that at the end of the season. Her legs seem stronger.
That's what I thought to, when I heard what some people on here were saying (though I should have knew better) about how she looked.

But there appears to be some people here, that will always automatically say Petra is/was "fat", "overweight", "unfit" and "heavier than before", etc., when seeing her play.

PS: Did you get my response to your last question (regarding Petra and her handlers/directions)?
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Old Dec 19th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #77
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Re: Tenisova Extraliga in Prostejov: WTA #243 Sandra Zahlavova d. Petra Kvitova 63 63

I know that this is just a meaningless exho, but her lack of competitiveness is worrisome.
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I know that this is just a meaningless exho, but her lack of competitiveness is worrisome.
In fairness/defense of Petra: She got injured last year during the same tournament, because of that aforementioned competitiveness, albeit against the #100 ranked player. So I would rather have her take it easy, if this was reportedly only the second day she had picked up a racket since Fed Cup to play an actual match.

I'm assuming Zahlavova has been playing tennis for a while. As a matter of fact, someone said earlier--the young lady had won the Czech Indoor League--entering this tournament, for what ever that's worth?

So Ms. Zahlavova was obviously in some type of form--compared to Petra--when they played.
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In fairness/defense of Petra: She got injured last year during the same tournament, because of that aforementioned competitiveness, albeit against the #100 ranked player. So I would rather have her take it easy, if this was reportedly only the second day she had picked up a racket since Fed Cup to play an actual match.

I'm assuming Zahlavova has been playing tennis for a while. As a matter of fact, someone said earlier--the young lady had won the Czech Indoor League--entering this tournament, for what ever that's worth?

So Ms. Zahlavova was obviously in some type of form--compared to Petra--when they played.
Zahlavova is not a bad player at all, she took a set from Venus few years ago. But still, losing 3 & 3 to her is bad, even in an exho. And Petra has been indifferent for a while. If it was only on exhos, who cares, Serena loses all her exho matches, but Petra looked like that in general this year. Bodo called her a "tear-stained drama queen", but to me she looks indifferent. Perhaps she lost some confidence and competitiveness after failing to reach #1.
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Re: Tenisova Extraliga in Prostejov: WTA #243 Sandra Zahlavova d. Petra Kvitova 63 63

OMG what's going on? Petra? Was she that bad or what? OMG moment when I saw this thread.
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Zahlavova is not a bad player at all, she took a set from Venus few years ago. But still, losing 3 & 3 to her is bad, even in an exho. And Petra has been indifferent for a while. If it was only on exhos, who cares, Serena loses all her exho matches, but Petra looked like that in general this year. Bodo called her a "tear-stained drama queen", but to me she looks indifferent. Perhaps she lost some confidence and competitiveness after failing to reach #1.
We'll see?

She's going through, been processing a lot, it appears.

Yes, she's kinda admitted she didn't want to be number one earlier in the year (and some observers has said she didn't appear to embrace it). I guess she saw it as a huge invasion of her privacy, along with the added/constant expectations.

We know all about the injuries, sickness and not living up to expectations (despite her two slam semi's, quarters, 4th round and P5 and Premier titles).

Petra's also got a lot going on with her preparation and her management team. She just got a new Fitness person a few weeks ago, for the first time since the summer. She didn't have a hitting partner (mind you a male one) through out the entire year of 2012. Her coaching team made some tactical and practical, health blunders. This had a domino affect on her year. And she appears under a lot of pressure at home to stay there and meet her managements expectations (who I don't feel are the best people for her) for various ceremonial nonsense. There just appears to be a lot going on.

So I think Petra's been dealing with plenty. Hopefully, she can overcome all this, and have a Bang Out 2013. She certainly has the talent to do it. The question will he have the happiness and the will (along with the 2011-like skill) to accomplish it all? She's got a lot to prove. And I hope she does. But it's anyones guess?

We'll see?
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We'll see?

She's going through, been processing a lot, it appears.

Yes, she's kinda admitted she didn't want to be number one earlier in the year (and some observers has said she didn't appear to embrace it). I guess she saw it as a huge invasion of her privacy, along with the added/constant expectations.

We know all about the injuries, sickness and not living up to expectations (despite her two slam semi's, quarters, 4th round and P5 and Premier titles).

Petra's also got a lot going on with her preparation and her management team. She just got a new Fitness person a few weeks ago, for the first time since the summer. She didn't have a hitting partner (mind you a male one) through out the entire year of 2012. Her coaching team made some tactical and practical, health blunders. This had a domino affect on her year. And she appears under a lot of pressure at home to stay there and meet her managements expectations (who I don't feel are the best people for her) for various ceremonial nonsense. There just appears to be a lot going on.

So I think Petra's been dealing with plenty. Hopefully, she can overcome all this, and have a Bang Out 2013. She certainly has the talent to do it. The question will he have the happiness and the will (along with the 2011-like skill) to accomplish it all? She's got a lot to prove. And I hope she does. But it's anyones guess?

We'll see?
It could be similar case to Djokovic's. In his early career he won a slam, he was considered to be the next big thing, but then he had few disappointing seasons, struggling with his game, poor spirit, injuries, allergies, asthma (similar to Petra), but then he decided to put an extra effort in his nutrition, fitness preparation, health care in general, it worked.
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That's what I thought to, when I heard what some people on here were saying (though I should have knew better) about how she looked.

But there appears to be some people here, that will always automatically say Petra is/was "fat", "overweight", "unfit" and "heavier than before", etc., when seeing her play.

PS: Did you get my response to your last question (regarding Petra and her handlers/directions)?
I am glad you thought the same. I donīt think Petra is fat, but it is obvious that she is a bit overweight (and only for a professional tennis player, I donīt mean it disrespectfully like others) not too much, but still a bit. She was slimmer in 2011 and moved so much better, thatīs what I mean. She is a tall strong woman and is never going to be the skinny type, and she is never either going to move like Radwanska or Errani, but she doesnīt need to, she just need to move good enough again to get comfortably into her hitting zone and then she can be unplayable. Sharapova has improved immensely in that field.
I got your response but I am still puzzled. Itīs her manager then, but her coach, parents... they all agree? Is her circle so so close ? Why did her previous fitnees coach leave? I think he was a middle aged good looking man who used to sit besides her coach. Maybe she should change all her team, coach included and start anew?
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I am glad you thought the same. I donīt think Petra is fat, but it is obvious that she is a bit overweight (and only for a professional tennis player, I donīt mean it disrespectfully like others) not too much, but still a bit. She was slimmer in 2011 and moved so much better, thatīs what I mean. She is a tall strong woman and is never going to be the skinny type, and she is never either going to move like Radwanska or Errani, but she doesnīt need to, she just need to move good enough again to get comfortably into her hitting zone and then she can be unplayable. Sharapova has improved immensely in that field.
I got your response but I am still puzzled. Itīs her manager then, but her coach, parents... they all agree? Is her circle so so close ? Why did her previous fitnees coach leave? I think he was a middle aged good looking man who used to sit besides her coach. Maybe she should change all her team, coach included and start anew?
Wow!

Where do I start?

I tried to be polite, discreet and respectful.

But yes, it's her management.

They are not set up like the management of top 10, young Wimbledon, future potential multi Grand Slam champion. They're set up like a top 100-200 player operation. And they possess too many conflicts of interest, all controlled by one person.

I, along with others, have spoken about this Plenty in Petra's subforum. But I've never went into detail here on GM. And I still won't. It's just too many examples. However, I'll try to give a decent overview.

1) Her Manager/Management seems to only hire Czech's or Slovak's within his network. Now, I don't have a problem with that if they're the best people. However, if they're not and/or presents significant delays to Petra's development, then that's a problem.

Her last Fitness Person was Ivanko. That was the gentlemen you were mentioning. He was very good actually. But he was let go. Her new fitness person (another Management choice), appears to be nothing to write home about, and almost embarrassing for a player of Petra's caliber. Trust me. That's a problem!

2) Her Manager (who's not a coach or tennis player, but a business man) actually chooses her coaches and even peripheral staff. That choice should be between Petra and her coach (and or independent tennis advisors she consults with). But her manager actually publicly brags that he's the one calling the shots and controls Petra's decision making. Can you believe that? Tacky!

And even her current coach (David Kotyza), who shows promise in some areas, and lack of promise in others; is a stooge of her manager. I think his hearts in the right place. Nonetheless he's a YES MAN for her manager. And I doubt, Petra will receive outside help (specialist--for example--to work on different tennis areas) anytime soon, if ever, at all.

3) Her Management has massive conflicts of interest. He owns/runs the Prostojev club; he's Petra's personal Manager (with massive control over her personell, career and events participation). He's a Czech Tournament promoter (Fed Cup, Prague 100K and Extraliga); and Prostojev is involved with player development as well. He's also manager of Tomas Berdych and Lucie Safarova, who are also members of the Protojev club, just as a FYI. And of course he's active in Politics.

Because of the various conflicts of interest, Petra is frequently asked (and he's actually bragged in Czech publications that he can get Petra to do what he wants) to promote or play in his silly events--even when she should be home resting/preparing for Slams or out the country practicing on outdoor hard courts, as opposed to indoor in cold ass Czech Republic. So you know; Prostojev is mainly an indoor facility.

You know, Petra hadn't had a male hitting Partner all year in 2012? Last year, she periodically used her boyfriend--Adam (also a member of her Managers Prostojev club by the way) to hit with, and look at the results she had? This year, the only time, I can recall she hit with a male hitting partner, was when she hit with the Prostojev Junior boys. Yes, you read right. And the irony of that?....Petra actually extolled the virtues of hitting with a male hitting partner (albeit junior boys), but she hadn't had one all year. Come to think of it; she hit with a Junior boy (in Adam), periodically last year as well. Amazing! SMH.

How in the world does a player with Petra's stature and presumed expectations, not have a part time, per diem or full time male hitting partners?

4) Petra was diagnosed with asthma in 2009 at the US Open. And it appears they had taken three years to find the proper inhaler. Why? They had a host of the world doctors to choose from, and it appeared they only focused on their local Czech doctors to find the solution. Puzzling. And you can say this about practically every decision her team makes. They don't operate like a top team. And to make it worse, Petra trust them and appears to not encourage or insist in her own decision making.

5) This would explain why Martina Navratilova has said more than a few times on Tennis Channel "I don't know what's wrong with that kid, she doesn't contact me", when asked by Lindsay or her other broadcast partners on the air. This year at Fed Cup, Martina wasn't initially invited. Yes it's true. Apparently, it was a dis by one of the Czech tennis Big wigs that her manager cozies up with. It appears they may encourage her (directly or indirectly), not to speak to outside tennis advisors, due to their established, internal Czech Cliques?

Former Steffi Graf coach, and Czech Pavel Složil , stated in a Czech magazine article that Petra should seek out Djokovic's people regarding her conditioning, diet, asthma and further fitness. And I agree. You see, Pavel is an independent Czech, not affiliated with Petra's manager, so speaks freely like any other normal person would. Unfortunately, I highly doubt she will.

And here in lies the big problem (and why I wrote so long ). Petra's hasn't taken charge of her career yet. And the people she has (in my opinion) don't appear to be able to take her to the next level. They caught lightening in bottle with Petra in 2011. And it was her talent, youthful optimism and confidence, which carried her through. Don't get me wrong. They did their parts/job. However, Petra needs additional support, advisors, fitness, practice and mental strength, etc., if she's to fulfill her promise. Unfortunately, her management (who appears to make the decisions) seems content, with using the people they have in their network, even if they may not be the most qualified, reputable or convenient choices.

Petra has earned enough money and the reputation (in tennis circles) to hire the best or at least top notch people in assisting her to potential greatness. However, for most of the year she didn't have an actual team. At first it was Petra, her coach and Fitness instructor. When he left, it became only Petra and her coach, until Katie The PR LADY (probably from WTA) traveled with them. And in Montreal it got so bad, that Petra actually hit with Katie before her matches there. Now give Petra credit, she won Montreal (though she could have very well lost in the first round). But how in the world can you hit with your PR Lady, who's not even a tennis player? SMH

Pavel Složil , mentioned in his interview, that he used to have Steffi hit with the top male players (and I mean the VERY top) after an easy match to get her reps. Now, not only did Petra not have any male hitting parter in 2012 in any capacity, but I've never heard of her hitting with Tomas Berdych (despite the management connection) at any slam or combined event. SMH

Until things change, Petra's team from top to bottom is just not anything to write home about. As a matter of fact, it's kind of embarrassing for a player of her caliber and recent, current success and alleged aspirations.

In short: It's like Petra has a Bad Father/Controller/Coach, that can't let go (and neither can she for that matter). Yeah, we've all seen, heard that before. The difference is; it's a greedy businessman out to further his won self interest and ego--many times at Petra's expense and detriment, I feel. She could get rid of him tomorrow if she wanted (or choose her own people to work with, if he insisted on keeping her). We know, Petra doesn't need and can get rid of him. It happens all the time with player, managers. Granted; it's a little more difficult with your mother or father as coach or manager. But that happens to.

Hopefully (though I'm not counting on it anytime soon), Petra will. We'll see?

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It could be similar case to Djokovic's. In his early career he won a slam, he was considered to be the next big thing, but then he had few disappointing seasons, struggling with his game, poor spirit, injuries, allergies, asthma (similar to Petra), but then he decided to put an extra effort in his nutrition, fitness preparation, health care in general, it worked.
OK, now I saw Excelisor's post. There was obviously an article in Czech about this.
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OK, now I saw Excelisor's post. There was obviously an article in Czech about this.

The article was an interview with Pavel Slozil about a wide range of things, and one of them was him mentioning Petra should seek out Djokovic's people (which I agree with), for a multitude of things.

Unfortunately, I've never heard of her people ever seeking out anyone, that's not part of her management's colloquial Czech and Slovak based inner circle. That's a problem.

Most of the stuff I wrote, came from me. And the articles that covered Petra or her manager, dealt with general stuff, but her manager as dumb enough to Brag that he could get Petra to play Fed Cup when she was sick and even next year, when Petra wouldn't immediately commit to it after the Czech's 2012 championship. Stuff like that.

And most of this comes up, cause our Czech members, who question the relationship, find the various articles and quotes when he's in them.

So at this point, it seems certain independent issues (when they come up) affecting Petra and her play are discussed in their magazines. However, not enough Czech publications are blatantly criticizing him, like they should (cause he still talks like he owns her, instead of only being her manager). But he is questioned enough--about Petra's success or lack of it, and her plans for the future and various Czech events.
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he still talks like he owns her, instead of only being her manager
It seems like he's a fraud. A normal manager would never take credits for her success. Some other players have much better teams, but I never heard anyone bragging like that. Well, Novak's first coach is a very annoying lady who always points out that she discovered him, but even she says that he's always been a special boy, born to be successful. I'm guessing he helped her financially like Ivanovic's manager?
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It seems like he's a fraud. A normal manager would never take credits for her success. Some other players have much better teams, but I never heard anyone bragging like that. Well, Novak's first coach is a very annoying lady who always points out that she discovered him, but even she says that he's always been a special boy, born to be successful. I'm guessing he helped her financially like Ivanovic's manager?

You are right. We've called him worser things.

On top of that, he's a braggart, and acts/sounds like he's the important one and not Kvitova. Very tacky and classless. I agree.

Petra, as you know, could get rid of him anytime she wanted, if/when inspired to. Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't think she cares.

Yes, he helped her financially, and I guess that's why he feels so entitled. He's very annoying. And thinks he's big time. But he's really not. He's a small fish. As a matter of fact, many parts of his management of Petra is embarrassing. More importantly, it's only going hurt, impede and stagnate Petra's all around development, if this continues. Petra needs a true, independent world class team.

What he may not realize is, these type of relationships happen all the time (like Petra and Ana with their Managers or Djokovic), and usually the star player leaves anyway.

Apparently, he had Martina Hingis, when she was younger, and she left him and his club, to later great success, and he can't live it down, so has become a control freak. Yeah, I know. Shit happens! so what!

They can't stop it. Once these players reach the big time, they belong to the world (especially if they can become better players, receive more honest management, and control their own careers and destiny).

Yeah. I saw you got the picture. You know the deal, his type.

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You are such a tool and disingenuous, blind fool so many times. There's no use talking to you. Do you hear yourself? How long have you been following tennis?

I'm sure you'll be hiding in your corner if/when Vika disappoints or flops again as she's done most of her career as a high ranked player.

Based off of her talent (or lack of it), she may never sniff a year like she did last year ever again in her career (even with the current WTA). Many reasonable tennis cognoscenti, would already feel she's over achieved. But you go ahead and count on it, along with Petra's demise (and predicted stagnation before she even matures).

Yeah. Keep slurping the kool aid indeed. I'm sure by then, you'll be rooting for somebody else anyway.
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Re: Tenisova Extraliga in Prostejov: WTA #243 Sandra Zahlavova d. Petra Kvitova 63 63

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Petra, as you know, could get rid of him anytime she wanted, if/when inspired to. Unfortunately, at the moment, I don't think she cares.
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Yes, he helped her financially, and I guess that's why he feels so entitled.
This. You may notice that Aga got rid of her dad and, as it seems, it was the best possible decision. But this is much different. Tennis parents are often annoying, demanding, obsessive, but they are parents after all. It's difficult for the kids to fire them, it takes a courage, but they'll never turn against their own children, they wish them the best. But getting rid of the businessman who helped her when no one else could. I don't know about Czech Republic, but in Serbia all those "businessmen" are very shady persons, you just don't want to mess with that kind.
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