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Dec 6th, 2012, 07:34 AM   #46
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

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 Originally Posted by Håkon Well I hope you wouldn't guess 28 games then because the maximum would be 26. I think that may be the fairest and easiest solution to implement. Idea: should 'one of the team members closer' be a tie-breaker before who posted first? IMO, if the match is 20 games, 19 & 21 is a better tip than 17 & 23. (Not entirely sure the 2nd one is a better tip when the match is 16 games, though...)
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As for the second part of your post, currently we break ties by looking at the guess of a player who is closer and compare it to the closer one of the other team. Example: if it 22 games and team A guesses 17 and 24, while team B guesses 19 and 26, cause 24 is closer than 19. Hope that's what you're referring to.

Dec 6th, 2012, 07:40 AM   #47
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

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 "During a tournament, points of a team are a sum of points earned by the two players (e.g. 31+24=55 for a team). For a final match number of games is guessed and the average of the two numbers guessed by the team members is used to solve ties (23+27=50/2=25). If two teams have the same average, the team with the fastest poster wins."
The averages: team A 20.5, team B 22.5, so team B wins by the average method, while team A wins by the method you just described.

I was talking about when the averages were just as far away (say, team A had guessed 19 & 24).
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Dec 6th, 2012, 07:46 AM   #48
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

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 Originally Posted by Håkon Um...that contradicts your post #43 The averages: team A 20.5, team B 22.5, so team B wins by the average method, while team A wins by the method you just described. I was talking about when the averages were just as far away (say, team A had guessed 19 & 24).
Really don't know what I was thinking...actually I do, what I wrote in the last post was an idea I initially had, but then we went with the average. You're right about picking the closer instead of faster team member, that actually makes much more sense.

 Feb 17th, 2013, 12:51 PM #49 coolfish1103 Senior Member     Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 7,647 Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...? Tournaments with super tie break: If the players believe there will be super tie break, they will guess 16 games and 17 points If the players believe there will be no super tie break, simply guess 16 games Sort by games first then points if games guessed are the same. __________________ 2013 Roma/Wimby/Cincy/Guangzhou/Istanbul Doubles Champion Hsieh Su-Wei 謝淑薇 & Peng Shuai 彭帥 2013 Wimby: Marion Bartoli def. Sloane Stephens 6-4 7-5 Kaia Kanepi def. Laura Robson 7-6(6) 7-5 | Quiet Please!
 Feb 17th, 2013, 05:15 PM #50 Håkon Senior Member     Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bonn, NRW Posts: 17,065 Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...? I don't really like that suggestion - between two closely matched pairs it's a bit of a lottery whether it goes a super tie-break or not. Also it's a bit complicated to learn. __________________ My twitter | FWTT: Cornelia du Preez game wins: FITD US Open '12, Guangzhou '10 (#1 since 8 July 2013), TT Indian Wells '11, TT doubles Moskva '11, Brussel '12, Pattaya '13, Stuttgart '13 (w/Andreas), PAW 4 titles, Suicide Olympic gold + 2 titles, Tipping 3 titles (#1 for 25 weeks, USO Series '12), Q-Ball 7 titles, Blackjack #1 2012, Pentathlon #1 2012 (5 titles) Азарэнка | Павлюченкова | Arvidsson| Halep | Eikeri | Clijsters | Rus | Van Uytvanck | Watson | Bertens | Superboerin Hogenkamp | Schoofs
 Jul 2nd, 2013, 08:46 AM #51 ma re Senior Member     Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10,480 Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...? So here we are at the second week of Wimbledon 2013 and still without solutions to some of the old problems of tipping doubles. Therefore just tell me if you are in favor of these suggestions to become rules: - that when it comes to super tie-break, which is played in all tournaments except Grand slams, we play this "third set" separately; therefore if you think the STB will be played in this match you write "22 games + 16 points" - first one for the two sets and the second one for the super tie-break - that we reduce the bonus points given at YEC to those of a Premier event - it's just 4 teams and 3 matches to play so no reason to reward tipping players with so many bonus points
Jul 2nd, 2013, 08:59 AM   #52
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Re: Tipping doubles (2012) ideas, suggestions...?

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 Originally Posted by ma re So here we are at the second week of Wimbledon 2013 and still without solutions to some of the old problems of tipping doubles. Therefore just tell me if you are in favor of these suggestions to become rules: - that when it comes to super tie-break, which is played in all tournaments except Grand slams, we play this "third set" separately; therefore if you think the STB will be played in this match you write "22 games + 16 points" - first one for the two sets and the second one for the super tie-break - that we reduce the bonus points given at YEC to those of a Premier event - it's just 4 teams and 3 matches to play so no reason to reward tipping players with so many bonus points
yes

yes

that wasnt so hard
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