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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:43 PM   #31
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

Kvitova
Li
Serena
Sharapova
Stosur
Azarenka
Kerber
Radwanska
Wozniacki
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:47 PM   #32
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

kvitova (when her shots don't go in it's a nightmare, no plan b)
li na (same situation as kvitova but can counterpunch to an extent)
serena(serena uses controlled aggression, which means she can hit big when she wants but will rally when needed)
sharapova ( content to hit big off both wings but not so well on the move; more consistent than Na, petra and serena)
stosur(only reason i put her here is because she hits the forehand very big, but i wouldn't call her a complete bbb)
azarenka(takes the ball early but prefers to use consistency rather than hit big)
kerber (uses power against bbb, counterpunches well and defends well)
errani(no real power at all uses slices and heavy topspin as well as defense.
wozniacki(relies the most on defensive skills to win matches but she can get some acceleration on her backhand)
radwanska (relies on defensive skills, dropshots, touch and guile; no power)
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:49 PM   #33
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

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kvitova (when her shots don't go in it's a nightmare, no plan b)
li na (same situation as kvitova but can counterpunch to an extent)
serena(serena uses controlled aggression, which means she can hit big when she wants but will rally when needed)
sharapova ( content to hit big off both wings but not so well on the move; more consistent than Na, petra and serena)
stosur(only reason i put her here is because she hits the forehand very big, but i wouldn't call her a complete bbb)
azarenka(takes the ball early but prefers to use consistency rather than hit big)
kerber (uses power against bbb, counterpunches well and defends well)
errani(no real power at all uses slices and heavy topspin as well as defense.
wozniacki(relies the most on defensive skills to win matches)
Such a good post.
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

1. Kvitova
2. Li
3. Sharapova
4. Stosur
5. Azarenka
6. S. Williams
7. Kerber
8. Errani
9. Radwanska
10. Wozniacki
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 11:19 PM   #35
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

1)Sharapova (absolute BB making her truly a one dimensional player)
2)Petra (Huge hitter but also has soft hands & can create angles)
3)Azarenka (intense BB)
4)Li Na (extreme BB needs a brain tho)
5)Serena (Tactically very smart, uses power to finish off shots)
6)Wozzy
7)Stosur
8)Kerber
9)Radwanska
10)Errani
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Old Dec 4th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #36
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

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In other words, rank the players from the most aggressive to the most defensive.

Here's the current top 10 for those who already forgot:

1. Azarenka
2. Sharapova
3. S. Williams
4. A. Radwanska
5. Kerber
6. Errani
7. Li Na
8. Kvitova
9. Stosur
10. Wozniacki
Pusher might be equal to pusher, but in no way does BBB (Brainless Ball Basher) equate to Aggressive, there is a difference between brainless ball basher and ball basher...
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

Li(not more powerful than Petra but more brainless.)
Kvitova
Sharapova
Stosur(As with the Li-Kvitova comparison, not more powerful than Serena, but more one-dimensional and more brainless for sure.)
Serena(Most consistent power player on the list, most likely to switch up her game when it's not working, and has the best defense as well.)
Azarenka(smack dab in the middle of the "bashers" and the "pushers")
Kerber(Vika's more defensive counterpart.)
Radwanska
Errani(Her and Aga are interchangeable, actually part of me feels Errani tries to be more aggressive than Aga does, but she just can't due to her slight frame and is forced on the defensive. Both at least have some aggression in terms of variety, rather than raw pace.)
Wozniacki(should be more powerful than Aga or Sara but unwillingness to step up means she is often unable to finish off points, while the other two are generally at least able to accomplish putting away sitters/coming to net.)
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Pusher might be equal to pusher, but in no way does BBB (Brainless Ball Basher) equate to Aggressive, there is a difference between brainless ball basher and ball basher...
Fair enough, I admit the title is not 100% accurate and we could argue about the definitions of the terms BBB and pusher. But I think people got what this is about.
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

1. Li
2. Sharapova
3. Kvitova
4. Azarenka
5. Serena
6. Stosur
7. Kerber
8. Radwanska
9. Errani
10. Wozniacki
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Pusher might be equal to pusher, but in no way does BBB (Brainless Ball Basher) equate to Aggressive, there is a difference between brainless ball basher and ball basher...
Agreed.
And being aggressive doesn't always include slapping the ball. Vinci and MJMS should be considered aggressive although they are not big hitters.
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Fair enough, I admit the title is not 100% accurate and we could argue about the definitions of the terms BBB and pusher. But I think people got what this is about.
Here´s what two experts said in 2009: http://youtu.be/hrxgoD1WCtA...
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Fair enough, I admit the title is not 100% accurate and we could argue about the definitions of the terms BBB and pusher. But I think people got what this is about.
No actually, people are using "ball-basher" and "brainless ballbasher" interchangeably because it wasn't clear what you meant For instance, as others have alluded to, Li certainly fits the "brainless" part, but she isn't a ballbasher atall, she's a counterpuncher who typically wins points in more extended rallies.

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No actually, people are using "ball-basher" and "brainless ballbasher" interchangeably because it wasn't clear what you meant For instance, as others have alluded to, Li certainly fits the "brainless" part, but she isn't a ballbasher atall, she's a counterpuncher who typically wins points in more extended rallies.
You really need to stop perpetuating this utter fallacy.
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Re: Rank the top 10 players from "BBB" to "pusher"

So basically, I'm ignoring the "brainless" part and just ranking them from players who have most aggressive strategies to most defensive:


01 Kvitova (definitely as pure a ballbasher as possible)

02 Serena (this is based on both Peakrena and 2012 version, who wins the points with 1-3 huge shots; the 2008-10 version, who played with more controlled aggression, would be #4 in this list)

03 Sharapova (doesn't on average win her points in quite as quick points as the top 2, but still typically looks to dictate to some extent from the beginning of the rally)

04 Stosur (a bit more of an enigma....plays more high-% than the top 3 in terms of raw pace and shot placement, but her shots are SO heavy that it doesn't matter)

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05 Li (counterpuncher in the sense that she's at her best when absorbing and redirecting pace from her opponent, but she is prepared to go for it when she's in control of the point)

06 Azarenka (struggled to decide what order to put Aza and Li in....I feel like Li is more of an instinctive risk-taker, but at the same time, Aza is more capable of actually dictating a point from the beginning because her groundstrokes are so much more technically-sound)

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07 Errani (even if she has less natural power than those below her, her mindset is still more aggressive and she does look to take charge of points if her opponent lets her)

08 Kerber

09 Radwanska (game consists of ~90% defense, but atleast occasionally takes on a semi-risky shot)

10 Wozniacki (truly only goes for a winner when the shot is a 100% can't-miss)

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You really need to stop perpetuating this utter fallacy.
Even the Eurosport commentators twigged on this when they acknowledged Li and Clijsters had similar gamestyles during their AO match this year....you know something's obvious when Eurosport commentators get there before TF's "experts"
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