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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:28 PM   #31
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I'm sorry but it's hilarious how desperately you're trying to be offended by anything I say
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:29 PM   #32
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Re: Why do tennis fans accept lesbian tennis stars yet no one in ATP out of closet?

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Simple, because in our sexist world lesbians = hot, gay males = disgusting
Not true at all. A 'lesbian' is only seen as hot as long as she fulfils the straight male fantasies (eg. is willing to fuck 'em) that's hardly acceptance.
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:32 PM   #33
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:37 PM   #34
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There are none who are officially out as far as I know, it's all hearsay and shouldn't be part of this topic.
What do you define as out? Coming out and announcing it to the world? Then no. But there have been many recent players who everyone knew were lesbians, like Obziler for instance who had a baby with her partner. There are "officially out" players, it just so happens very few top players atm, and lower ranked players like Obziler aren't going to make a huge statement about it.
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Re: Why do tennis fans accept lesbian tennis stars yet no one in ATP out of closet?

And the answer to this thread is simple. Society is sexist, being seen as feminine is negative and a sign of weakness. Many straight men make the incorrect assumption that being gay means you are feminine. Being seen as masculine is, while not necessarily seen as positive, is more acceptable. The different ways gay men and gay women are often treated from each other stems from society equating gayness with femininity, then femininity with weakness and negativity.
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Re: Why do tennis fans accept lesbian tennis stars yet no one in ATP out of closet?

Amelie Mauresmo did not lose any endorsements when she came out in fact she is a hero in France for being the first French woman since the 1920s to be Wimbledon champion. Mauresmo is adored in France and respected by the French people. Yes, money or the fear of losing endosements could be a reason top players remain in the closet. But if the media found out, wouldn't that hurt a company that would strip a player of endosement money by coming out? I have to believe in the year 2012, a company that would cut ties with an openly gay player would get bad press.

It does seem like everything is going in reverse on the WTA. Notice the recent WTA championships and all the top 8 players getting their makeup done, wearing gowns ect. Back in the 1990s, at the WTA championships I don't think they did that. This whole glam thing is new, to indicate to the audience that these fit female tennis players are still feminine and still can present a heterosexual image to male consumers. I find it odd that the WTA is trying to appeal to heterosexual men and not appeal to straight women or the gay community who support women's tennis.

Also, there is a current tennis champion top 10 player on the WTA who is a lesbian everyone knows she's gay she lives in a glass closet. This particular top player isn't hiding she's got a girlfriend she simply doesn't feel the need to come out which is disappointing I believe.

And it makes me wonder, why it is so easy to identify the lesbian tennis players yet on the ATP Tour the general public is lead to believe all the top guys are heterosexual and have model type girlfriends. There's got to be one guy in the top 20 who is gay or bisexual.
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:54 PM   #37
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I hate to throw in names to this, but does anyone remember back in like '07 or '08 when Richie Gasquet kept denying that he was gay even though the rumors about his sexuality (dating that banker old guy or something like that) died like a year prior to his comments? It was something like "Yea, I don't have a girlfriend, just male friends...but I'm not gay." Why would he have to sit there and defend that when no one brought it up in the first place? My point is that I wonder that there has to be something fishy going on in the ATP that somehow frowns on being open. Just conspiracies of course, but if that's true, then that is really sad. =[ Us gay male tennis fans (there's plenty of us) would love a male role model.
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:01 PM   #38
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Re: Why do tennis fans accept lesbian tennis stars yet no one in ATP out of closet?

It's also true that in various professions, various groups are over- and underrepresented, often as a result of bias, perceived opportunity, etc. Examples being in the NBA, blacks are significantly overrepresented, while in Fortune 500 boardrooms they are severely underrepresented. For any number of reasons, it's possible that lesbians are reflectively or overrepresented in the WTA while gay men are underrepresented in the ATP and other professional sports.

I am not suggesting that gay men can't be athletic, as obviously there are some excellent gay athletes. However, one could certainly see that hostility, the somewhat neanderthalic code of male sporting culture, etc. might discourage many gay men from pursuing any sport at its higher levels. This perpetuates the vicious circle, driving a less supportive culture for gay male athletes.

(And I'm not saying all straight men who play sports are neanderthals. I just know from having played sports and having sons who played sports there is a lowest common denominator element at work that makes it very hard for even straight males of a reasonably straight sort to put up with some of the crap that goes on in the locker room). At least IMHO.
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:15 PM   #39
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Also, there is a current tennis champion top 10 player on the WTA who is a lesbian everyone knows she's gay she lives in a glass closet. This particular top player isn't hiding she's got a girlfriend she simply doesn't feel the need to come out which is disappointing I believe.
Just who might that be, Orville?
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Old Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:21 PM   #40
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I hate to throw in names to this, but does anyone remember back in like '07 or '08 when Richie Gasquet kept denying that he was gay even though the rumors about his sexuality (dating that banker old guy or something like that) died like a year prior to his comments? It was something like "Yea, I don't have a girlfriend, just male friends...but I'm not gay." Why would he have to sit there and defend that when no one brought it up in the first place? My point is that I wonder that there has to be something fishy going on in the ATP that somehow frowns on being open. Just conspiracies of course, but if that's true, then that is really sad. =[ Us gay male tennis fans (there's plenty of us) would love a male role model.
In France, lots of men tend to justify themselves for not being gay. We often hear men saying "I don't have a girlfriend but I'm not gay" or "I'm not gay but I think this man is not handsome". I've heard it a bit abroad but not as much as in France.
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I think a player can benefit from revealing that he's gay. Look at Frank Ocean - before he revealed he's gay he was basically unknown, but after, he became a huge star, his album was released early due to high demand from fans - it went #1 on iTunes, he got invited to lots of shows and music awards. It's expected that he'll be nominated for several Grammys and other musicians praised him for coming out. I think the first one to come out could potentially really benefit from it. Society is more acceptable of gays & lesbians than ever.
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Martina Navartilova was one of the first to set the precedent for lesbian women in sports, even though it's still not talked about alot, it's more accepted than gay men.
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In France, lots of men tend to justify themselves for not being gay. We often hear men saying "I don't have a girlfriend but I'm not gay" or "I'm not gay but I think this man is not handsome". I've heard it a bit abroad but not as much as in France.
I guess it's like the American "no homo" thing. Didn't think of it that way. Ahhhh the world and her various customs.
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are you lesbian?
Yep, and a very, very butch one at that.
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