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Old Nov 21st, 2012, 03:58 PM   #31
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31 y.o serena is still more than anyone in 50s
Really? Shirley Fry took Maureen Connelly to three sets in the 50s. Connelly is considered by many to be greater than Serena. When's the last time Sharapova even took Serena to three sets?
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Old Nov 21st, 2012, 04:03 PM   #32
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Really? Shirley Fry took Maureen Connelly to three sets in the 50s. Connelly is considered by many to be greater than Serena. When's the last time Sharapova even took Serena to three sets?
just before Shoulder surgery in Charleston 2008
and anyone except Graf and maybe Navratilova being stronger opposition than Serena -
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Old Nov 21st, 2012, 04:03 PM   #33
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Really? Shirley Fry took Maureen Connelly to three sets in the 50s. Connelly is considered by many to be greater than Serena. When's the last time Sharapova even took Serena to three sets?
individual matchups have nothing to do with players's greatness...if that was the case, Pironkova would be a greater grass player than Hasbeenus. Either way, for all her current mental issues vs Williams, Pova still got her maiden slam by blitzing Serenka off the court in Wimby final. And at the end of the day this match will still be remembered the most when evaluating her whole career...
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31 y.o serena is still more than anyone in 50s and 2004- 2008 field was stronger than any in history
LOL the 1999-2003 field alone was stronger than 2004-2008. An era totally dominated by Justine Henin (Henin won 7 slams from mid 2003-her retirement in mid 2008, over double anyone else that period, and was year end #1 3 of those 5 years) is not the strongest in history, sorry. So was the 1989-1992 field.

As I already mentioned Serena has nothing to do with Maria's failure to win more slams even vs the current really weak field which is arguably the worst in history. She has only played Serena in one slam since January 2007, the round of 16 at Wimbledon 2010 at a time she was in a long stretch not getting past the quarters of any slam anyway. While it is true Maria probably isnt peaking as far as level of play now, in theory Fry had even less reason to be peaking in late 56/early 57 when she was in her 30s IIRC.
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I thought Shirley Fry was an actress
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Old Nov 21st, 2012, 04:15 PM   #36
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LOL the 1999-2003 field alone was stronger than 2004-2008. An era totally dominated by Justine Henin (Henin won 7 slams from mid 2003-her retirement in mid 2008, over double anyone else that period, and was year end #1 3 of those 5 years) is not the strongest in history, sorry. So was the 1989-1992 field.


Why do you split eras in parts with 2003 being borderline? Steffi's era finished in 1999-99 and after Hingis's transitional era a new era started - Serena's

2001 - 2008 Serena 8 Slams , Justine 7 Slams

It's really weired how Justine was dominating Serena having only 2 wins outside clay versus her
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individual matchups have nothing to do with players's greatness...if that was the case, Pironkova would be a greater grass player than Hasbeenus. Either way, for all her current mental issues vs Williams, Pova still got her maiden slam by blitzing Serenka off the court in Wimby final. And at the end of the day this match will still be remembered the most when evaluating her whole career...
They have a lot to do with these peak threads because the only way to gauge a player of one era against another to compare them to how they handled their peers.

Sharapova's huge win over Serena is career-defining, but by the same token, winning 3 slams in a row, two in straight sets against Althea Gibson, is just as huge, even more so. Unless she does something in the next few years, Sharapova will be just as forgotten in 50 years as that Nasha Masha tard claims Fry is.
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Old Nov 21st, 2012, 04:25 PM   #38
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Why do you split eras in parts with 2003 being borderline? Steffi's era finished in 1999-99 and after Hingis's transitional era a new era started - Serena's

2001 - 2008 Serena 8 Slams , Justine 7 Slams

It's really weired how Justine was dominating Serena having only 2 wins outside clay versus her
LOL so now you are suddenly talking about and trying to mix in years like 2001 and 2002 when Maria was not even playing pro tennis to build up the 2004-2008 era where Maria peaked. The fact you are going back to 2001 is just proving that I am correct and you know it, 2004-2008 is NOT the strongest era of womens tennis, 1999-2003 was stronger, or if you wish to dismiss 1999 were the top 5 were Serena in her breakout year, the great Steffi Graf, Lindsay Davenport at her absolute peak, Martina Hingis at her absolute peak, Venus despite note winning a slam in one of her best years ever with 6 titles on a variety of surfaces, 2000-2003.

As for Justine and Serena, of course Justine wasnt beating Serena much outside of clay when Justine and Serena didnt even play a single match from July 2003 until March 2007. Which shows another point, Serena was mostly irrelevant the 2004-2008 period (until 2008 and a bit of 2007, where btw Henin beat Serena in 3 slams on 3 different surfaces with Serena finally surfacing as a relevance after being AWOL that whole period until then which proves again the period you are trying to build up as best ever is one dominated by Henin who is barely or not even a top 10 player all time), so was Venus who like Serena won only 1 slam and mostly inactive from 2004-2006, and yet you are still trying to build this period up as the best ever since it was Maria's peak period. Desperate much.
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They have a lot to do with these peak threads because the only way to gauge a player of one era against another to compare them to how they handled their peers.

Sharapova's huge win over Serena is career-defining, but by the same token, winning 3 slams in a row, two in straight sets against Althea Gibson, is just as huge, even more so. Unless she does something in the next few years, Sharapova will be just as forgotten in 50 years as that Nasha Masha tard claims Fry is.
Kournikova isn't forgotten despite not winning a single title ... try harder

SFI's Australian title - is a Tier II title , bit I think Stuttgart 2012 had stronger field than that challenger + Gibson tournament in 1957


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LOL so now you are talking about years like 2001 and 2002 when Maria was not even playing pro tennis to build up that era.
if we take only period when Maria played since becoming top player to her surgety it's 2004- wimbledon 2008
Henin -5 Slams
Sharapova -3 Slams
Venus - 3 Slams
Serena - 2 Slams
Amelie - 2 Slams
Kuznetsova, Clijsters, Myskina, Ivanovic - 1 Slam
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Kournikova isn't forgotten despite not winning a single title ... try harder
A Kournikova reference. In other words implying despite being chasms more successful than can barely play pro level tennis Kournikova, Sharapova in the long run will be much more remembered for beauty, glamor, and endorsements than her tennis career. OK in that case I agree.

PS- hardly anyone talks about Kournikova today. Now that other glamor girls who all play better tennis than her like Sharapova, Hantuchova, and Ivanovic have emerged she is virtually forgotten. So not a very good example.
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if we take only period when Maria played since becoming top player to her surgety it's 2004- wimbledon 2008
Henin -5 Slams
Sharapova -3 Slams
Venus - 3 Slams
Serena - 2 Slams
Amelie - 2 Slams
Kuznetsova, Clijsters, Myskina, Ivanovic - 1 Slam
So you only prove my point, Henin was by far the dominant player of the period you mention. Multiple more slams than anyone else, 2 WTA Championships and Olympic singles Gold on top of those slams (nobody else won more than 1 of those), and year end #1 of both 2006 and 2007, while spending significant time at #1 in both 2004 and 2008 as well, while the only other year end #1s Davenport and Jankovic produced 0 slams that period. So you are trying to argue an era dominated by Justine Henin was the toughest ever in tennis history. Not to mention trying to argue an era Ivanovic could make 3 slam finals in 13 months, Myskina could win a slam, Mauresmo could win 2 slams in the same year, and a past her prime Davenport who hadnt won a slam in 5 years ending back to back years as year end #1, as the toughest in tennis history.
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A Kournikova reference. In other words implying despite being chasms more successful than can barely play pro level tennis Kournikova, Sharapova in the long run will be much more remembered for beauty, glamor, and endorsements than her tennis career. OK in that case I agree.

PS- hardly anyone talks about Kournikova today. Now that other glamor girls who all play better tennis than her like Sharapova, Hantuchova, and Ivanovic have emerged she is virtually forgotten. So not a very good example.
you will have to wait for a long-long time before girl who plays better tennis and has better look than Sharapova emerges
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So you only prove my point, Henin was by far the dominant player of the period you mention. Multiple more slams than anyone else, 2 WTA Championships and Olympic singles Gold on top of those slams (nobody else won more than 1 of those), and year end #1 of both 2006 and 2007, while spending significant time at #1 in both 2004 and 2008 as well, while the only other year end #1s Davenport and Jankovic produced 0 slams that period. So you are trying to argue an era dominated by Justine Henin was the toughest ever in tennis history. Not to mention trying to argue an era Ivanovic could make 3 slam finals in 13 months, Myskina could win a slam, and Mauresmo could win 2 slams in the same year as the toughest in tennis history.
Sharapova won 2 Slams beating that dominant player , what gives even more credit to her achievements
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I'm sure all of you taking this seriously are very aware of what Shirley Fry's peak level was.
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Unless she does something in the next few years, Sharapova will be just as forgotten in 50 years as that Nasha Masha tard claims Fry is.
Probably not, because Sharapova played in the television age while we only know Fry from the history books or a few short poor-ish quality clips from which no-one gets any the wiser. But I'm sure that most tennis afficionados at least know the name of Shirley Fry and 50 years from now they will also recognize the name of Sharapova. As for anyone else - who cares? I don't think it's that important that people who are not even interested in tennis to begin with know the names of players from fifty years ago.
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