[RVD]

Originally Posted by Bradbury

Some Maria fans are still arguing about her being mentally stronger than Serena? Talk about watching too much Mary Carillon.. Fucking delusional

You are bringing matches Serena has lost within one year of her comeback? Shall we bring up all the matches that Maria has lost I am the two years after her comeback?

Next they will be saying she has more intensity than peak Seles, better forehand than peak graf, better backhand than peak Venus and is a better volleyed than Navratilova

As my sis Frenchie would've said - a creampie mess

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Originally Posted by liuxuan

Serena

strengths: 1st serve, 2nd serve, forehand, backhand, power of shot, EARLY RACQUET PREPARATION especially on the backhand side, speed of foot (not footwork), mental fortitude, will to win, ability to add spin to reign in errors when a few crop up, willingness to move in off a short ball

Weakness: "lucky shots"

she said it herself

LOVES THIS!!

[RVD]

Originally Posted by rjd1111

Its foggy in everybodies mind. Cause it never happened

But Serena has beaten Maria on clay

Thaaat's what-I-thought.
Serena-Biters are just so... *sigh*

[bandabou]

Originally Posted by Chrissie-fan

That's not what I said, but I guess there's no point in me discussing the matter any further since no matter how much I praise Serena and admit that she's the better player it's never enough and you can't resist putting down Sharapova in return. Makes no difference to me, I know how it goes, but makes no sense for me to reply on that basis either.

Not putting Maria down..I just don't think she's mentally tougher than Serena.
Devilishattitude is making Serena look like she's some Vera Zvonareva or something.

[doomsday]

Originally Posted by RVD

So you're saying that if Maria were to play Serena on clay, Maria is the guaranteed winner?

I wonder how many other tennis fans believe this?

And btw, when did Maria defeat Serena on clay?
My memory is foggy on this.

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
Just because of the matchup issue I believe that Serena would give Maria a lot of trouble on clay, but I also think that Serena's strengths would be not as effective as they are on the other surfaces (serve,ROS, power off the ground).

Anyway, this is just a matchup vs Serena. Maria basically has to worry only about 2 or 3 players on the red clay while Serena need to avoid almost every player in the top 20 w/o mentioning the likes of Razzano who can create an upset over her.

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[bandabou]

Originally Posted by doomsday

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
Just because of the matchup issue I believe that Serena would give Maria a lot of trouble on clay, but I also think that Serena's strengths would be not as effective as they are on the other surfaces (serve,ROS, power off the ground).

Anyway, this is just a matchup vs Serena. Maria basically has to worry only about 2 or 3 players on the red clay while Serena need to avoid almost every player in the top 20 w/o mentioning the likes of Razzano who can create an upset over her.

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You sure can talk for being fan of a player with barely 4 majors. I give you that...

Besides when your fav has lost to Oudin, you sure ain't gonna talk about Serena losing to razzanno.

[NashaMasha]

Originally Posted by bandabou

Besides when your fav has lost to Oudin, you sure ain't gonna talk about Serena losing to razzanno.

he won't speak about Razanno , he will about Sybille Bammer, Srebotnik and Jill Craybas

[bandabou]

Originally Posted by NashaMasha

he won't speak about Razanno , he will about Sybille Bammer, Srebotnik and Jill Craybas

Lisicki, Dulko, Alla Kudryasetva ( ever heard of her again? )

[NashaMasha]

Originally Posted by bandabou

Lisicki, Dulko, Alla Kudryasetva ( ever heard of her again? )

all players had bad days or matches played injured or after 0 match practice etc. It's true for all players including Serena , Sharapova etc

And Lisicki is a top player on grass , don't include her in this list

[doomsday]

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[doomsday]

Originally Posted by bandabou

You sure can talk for being fan of a player with barely 4 majors. I give you that...

Besides when your fav has lost to Oudin, you sure ain't gonna talk about Serena losing to razzanno.

he asked me a question, it's not my fault if you can't handle the truth.

Maria may have lost Oudin but it was back in 2009.
At this very moment, noone of this calibre will upset her IMO she lost against good players those last years and even this year.
Serena's loss to Razzano will always remain the most WTF loss of the century, I know it's hard to deal with but you can still confort with the rest of her season who really was awesome.


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[bandabou]

Originally Posted by doomsday

he asked me a question, it's not my fault if you can't handle the truth.

Maria may have lost Oudin but it was back in 2009.
At this very moment, noone of this calibre will upset her IMO she lost against good players those last years and even this year.
Serena's loss to Razzano will always remain the most WTF loss of the century, I know it's hard to deal with but you can still contort with the rest of her season who really was awesome.


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It was back in '09, huh?!
And 3 years from now, the Razzano loss is gonna be history too then, soo...

And besides: 'noone of this calibre will upset her.' and you think that wouldn't hold true for Serena?!

[doomsday]

Originally Posted by bandabou

It was back in '09, huh?!
And 3 years from now, the Razzano loss is gonna be history too then, soo...

And besides: 'noone of this calibre will upset her.' and you think that wouldn't hold true for Serena?!

At the FO, I don't really know that last loss really shoked me but she bounced pretty damn well.
Now we'll see if she can do the same at the French.


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[bandabou]

Originally Posted by doomsday

At the FO, I don't really know that last loss really shoked me but she bounced pretty damn well.
Now we'll see if she can do the same at the French.


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She ain't losing 1r again. Don't know about winning. That's trickier and she's to put in the work first.

[MrProdigy555]

Lisicki...top player....anywhere is

Just because you have a big serve does not mean you're a top player or a top player on grass. Hradecka, Petrova, Stosur, etc. Sharapova is just slow as dirt and Lisicki likes trying to tap that ass for some reason.

[RVD]

Originally Posted by doomsday

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said.
Just because of the matchup issue I believe that Serena would give Maria a lot of trouble on clay, but I also think that Serena's strengths would be not as effective as they are on the other surfaces (serve,ROS, power off the ground).

Anyway, this is just a matchup vs Serena. Maria basically has to worry only about 2 or 3 players on the red clay while Serena need to avoid almost every player in the top 20 w/o mentioning the likes of Razzano who can create an upset over her.

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So in other words, Serena has a shot at the title?
Good enough for me.

However, I'm not so sure that her game would now allow her to lose so easily to these "20" you mentioned, since she will be practicing with Patrick on fine tuning her clay court techniques.
Do you honestly believe that Serena will enter FO unprepared with such great resources at her disposal? I understand that you aren't a Serena fan, but surely you would not slight her to this degree.