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View Poll Results: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Henin wins on all surfaces including grass (aka delusional Henintards) 2 1.74%
Venus wins on all surfaces including clay (aka delusional Venustards) 14 12.17%
Henin wins on all but grass 22 19.13%
Venus wins on all but clay 57 49.57%
They split depending on the surfaces (Henin indoors, rebound ace, clay, Venus grass and medium to fast outdoor courts) 20 17.39%
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 12:44 AM   #31
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Justine obviously wins the clay match and Venus obviously wins the grass match. The hard match is difficult to assess. Justine's fast court skills are often underrated, but there are also a whole slew of speeds for different hardcourt surfaces.

Looking at Venus' peak 2000-2002, she compiled a 90-5 (.947) record on hardcourts, winning a whole slew of important titles, including back-to-back US Opens, the Olympics, Miami, and going undefeated in the American summer circuit twice.

From 2006-2008, Justine went 57-3 (.950) on hardcourts. She played a lot less, but also had some amazing wins, including two Year-End Championships, Toronto, and the US Open. Justine's record becomes a little shaky because she played very well on hardcourts in other periods of her career, but not necessarily when she was at her peak, such as the Athens Olympics and her second best year in 2006.

I don't believe two players can play at their absolute best against each other at the same time, as the sport of tennis works in ways that if you are playing your best, the other person is stopped from doing so, as well. But the 2007 US Open SF match between these two isn't the worst indicator; Venus wasn't at her peak in this match, but she was definitely not riddled with the disease (she ran and ran for days and didn't appear winded) and she wasn't injured.

All in all, Venus wins in tight matches on both hard and carpet.
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 12:45 AM   #32
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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Peak Venus was so confident with her serve, groundies, and movement. All but clay.
Was she really, though? Venus' serve was always inconsistent, even in her peak. She always had aces to match her double faults. Nobody moves better than peak-Venus, and her groundstrokes were lethal at her best, but she even tends to rally more than she should.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

clay: Venus df Justine 2-6 7-6(5) 7-5 - Amelia Island
Grass: Venus df Justine 3-6 6-2 6-0 - London
Hardcourt: Venus df Justine 6-4 5-7 6-4 - New Haven
Plexi: Venus df Justine 7-5 7-6(6)
Carpet: Venus df Justine 6-2 5-7 6-2
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Old Nov 16th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #34
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

This match happened and Justine won 7-6 6-4 on a hard court. Next.

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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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Justine obviously wins the clay match and Venus obviously wins the grass match. The hard match is difficult to assess. Justine's fast court skills are often underrated, but there are also a whole slew of speeds for different hardcourt surfaces.

Looking at Venus' peak 2000-2002, she compiled a 90-5 (.947) record on hardcourts, winning a whole slew of important titles, including back-to-back US Opens, the Olympics, Miami, and going undefeated in the American summer circuit twice.

From 2006-2008, Justine went 57-3 (.950) on hardcourts. She played a lot less, but also had some amazing wins, including two Year-End Championships, Toronto, and the US Open. Justine's record becomes a little shaky because she played very well on hardcourts in other periods of her career, but not necessarily when she was at her peak, such as the Athens Olympics and her second best year in 2006.

I don't believe two players can play at their absolute best against each other at the same time, as the sport of tennis works in ways that if you are playing your best, the other person is stopped from doing so, as well. But the 2007 US Open SF match between these two isn't the worst indicator; Venus wasn't at her peak in this match, but she was definitely not riddled with the disease (she ran and ran for days and didn't appear winded) and she wasn't injured.

All in all, Venus wins in tight matches on both hard and carpet.
Venus df Lindsay 4-6 7-6 9-7

Venus had anemia in that 2007 Semifinals
Justine had an extra day off while Venus only 1 day. After Venus
Disposed Peak Jaja 7-6 in the third in their Qf.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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Venus had anemia in that 2007 Semifinals
Justine had an extra day off while Venus only 1 day. After Venus
Disposed Peak Jaja 7-6 in the third in their Qf.
True this. And the fact that Juju had not-quite-peak-itis in every match she did not humiliate her opponents. So...
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

AO: Venus 6-4, 3-6 6-3
French: Henin 7-5, 7-5
Wimb: Venus 6-2 1-0 (retirement, abdominal illness)
USO: Venus 7-5, 4-6, 7-6
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

During her peak year on tour, Justine tanked a match to avoid an ass whooping from Venus. That says it all.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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Venus df Lindsay 4-6 7-6 9-7

Venus had anemia in that 2007 Semifinals
Justine had an extra day off while Venus only 1 day. After Venus
Disposed Peak Jaja 7-6 in the third in their Qf.
They played at a high level, but none were at their best for the entire portion of the match in 2005. Venus sucked at the beginning of the first two sets and when she got on rolls, Lindsay suddenly stopped winning points...Venus was also a double fault queen, I believe.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Fifth option seems reasonable. Many Venustards here apparently. Justine in peak form is awesome, certainly not worse than Venus, i would set money on Henin playing AO for instance.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

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ROTFL at your grass, clay, and carpet scores. Baby Henin played peak Venus at Wimbledon in 2001 and 2002 and won a set in one of them, and got 5 games in the other. As for clay peak Venus was drubbed by no name Henin 6-4, 6-1 the first time they played on any surface. Indoors Venus winning for the loss of a mere 5 games you think. Henin actualy won back to back WTA Championships, while Venus won her only one ever after Henin had retired. Venus in no way has a tremendous record on indoor or carpet courts. The only accurate one you listed is probably hard courts, it would be something like that I agree.
Venus at her peak on grass is unbeatable, even Serena would lose there or make it competitive. In 2007 Henin said she was afraid to play Venus in the final, so she gave this excuse because of her loss to Bartoli. Maybe 6-0 6-2 would be too one sided, but it would definetely be a straight sets win for Venus. Carpet is almost as fast as grass, so Venus would win easily there too

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I don't think so.

A young Henin played Venus in a Wimbledon final and it was a three set match (yes I know Venus trashed her in the third).

And in clay Henin was the best player of this era by far
Venus won some important titles on red clay, she would lose, but it would be on three sets. I don´t think peak Henin would take peak Venus to three sets on grass...
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Venus won some important titles on red clay, she would lose, but it would be on three sets. I don´t think peak Henin would take peak Venus to three sets on grass...

Non-peak Henin took peak-Venus to 3 sets on grass in 2001
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Justine wins everywhere but grass.
Clearly she doesn't though, does she?
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

Peak Cheater would probably find a way to steal the win but Peak Venus is of course the better player.
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Re: Peak Henin vs peak Venus

LOL at people making a big deal out of the set Henin won at Wimbledon 2001. Are people forgetting the rain delays and Venus rushing in the second set to get the match finished before the rain. Then she came back out in the third set concentrated and demolished Henin just like she did in the first.
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