[moby]

Originally Posted by homogenius

Peak Vera had more or less her nerves under control (in comparison to Regular vera)and that changed a lot of things cause she was able to exploit all of her qualities.
Also, I fail to see how Woz's game was particularly new and how she had more potential.Mentally she is miles ahead but game wise she's firmly behind Vera imo.

Vera has difficulties when brought out wide, especially by quick DTLs from her opponent that invariably result in a short ball or floater from her opponent. Partly because she's not particularly fast (also because I think her movement outwide is not very efficient), and also because of her extremely long groundstroke swings. She is not good at neutralising the point from that position.

I think Peak LaBorz hits her backhand DTL with conviction and that will be the best and biggest stroke from either party in a match. Wozniacka has capabilities for a more dynamic game than Vera, IMO, is certainly a better defender (especially against Vera's mid-level power), and also creates more changes with spin, pace and height of the ball in a rally.

Originally Posted by Griffin.

I think Vera very clearly hits the ball bigger and has more variety. The other two are more up for debate IMO.

Not that much bigger. I think Wozniacki can hit the ball bigger and heavier.

[Steven.]

Originally Posted by moby

Vera has a lot of difficulties when brought out wide, especially by quick DTLs from her opponent that invariably result in a short ball or floater from her opponent. Partly because she's not particularly fast (also because I think her movement outwide is not very efficient), and also because of her extremely long groundstroke swings. She is not good at neutralising the point from that position.

I think Peak LaBorz hits her backhand DTL with conviction and that will be the best and biggest stroke from either party in a match. Wozniacka has capabilities for a more dynamic game than Vera, IMO, is certainly a better defender (especially against Vera's mid-level power), and also creates more changes with spin, pace and height of the ball in a rally.

Not that much bigger. I think Wozniacki can hit the ball bigger and heavier.

usually unintentional though

[moby]

Originally Posted by Steven.

usually unintentional though

But it still happens.

[Patrick345]

The truth is peak for peak Wozniacki loses to all top 20 talent in the world, because of the way she plays tennis. For her qualities to shine through you´d have to take an average of 10 matches, and say how many times will her game come through against a Zvonareva, Schiavone, Pennetta, Kuznetsova or Hantuchova. Peak for Peak she gets beaten by all of them, but she´ll beat Hantuchova 8-9 out of 10 times, because Wozniacki´s average performance is much higher than Hantuchova´s average tennis. But on her best day (French Open) Hantuchova will murder Wozniacki.

[dsanders06]

Originally Posted by moby

Vera has difficulties when brought out wide, especially by quick DTLs from her opponent that invariably result in a short ball or floater from her opponent. Partly because she's not particularly fast (also because I think her movement outwide is not very efficient), and also because of her extremely long groundstroke swings. She is not good at neutralising the point from that position.

I think Peak LaBorz hits her backhand DTL with conviction and that will be the best and biggest stroke from either party in a match. Wozniacka has capabilities for a more dynamic game than Vera, IMO, is certainly a better defender (especially against Vera's mid-level power), and also creates more changes with spin, pace and height of the ball in a rally.

Not that much bigger. I think Wozniacki can hit the ball bigger and heavier.

I agree that Woz is a better defensive player than Vera (Zvonareva's movement is VERY overrated on TF - people seem to just assume she's quick just because she's athletic and can do the splits), but "really?" to the bits in bold? Peak Vera's backhand craps all over Woz's, and let's not even go into comparing their forehands. I also really don't agree that Woz changes the pace of the game more -- Zvonareva was actually very good at intelligently constructing points, it's just she didn't get the chance to put those tactical skills to use against the elite who took the game out of her hands.

With that said, I do kinda think that Woz was slightly closer to winning a Slam than Vera was -- even though Vera was the stronger all-around player, Woz atleast was outstanding in one area of the game (defence) even though she was woeful in other areas, whereas Vera was solid in most areas of the game but outstanding in none.

[forehand27]

Wozniacki would win. Like dsanders mentioned she atleast has world class outstanding defense. I would add to that world class consistency when playing her best. Vera is a jack of all trades, master of none, she is good at everything (well even that is generous, most things I should say), but great a nothing.

Anyone thinking Wozniacki was playing her best in that U.S Open semifinal with Vera is delusional. I like Vera more than Woz and was happy she won, but Wozniacki played one of her worst matches of the whole summer bar none for whatever reason, be it the wind, or some nerves as that was the first time she really sensed she could win a slam.

[forehand27]

WTF is with the poll results. Does this whole forum hate Wozniacki or something. I could see Vera possibly being ahead (although I disagree) but with over three quarters of the votes, lol! This is peak Vera people, not some great player who can power Wozniacki off the court.

[charmedRic]

Vera. In Peak Forms, definitely Vera.

[rickxx]

Caro would win this. Her defense is much better and with that she makes Vera extra shots to win the point, and even peak Vera is like a mental midget, so she would break down eventually


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[Blu€]

Originally Posted by forehand27

WTF is with the poll results. Does this whole forum hate Wozniacki or something.

Caro is on her way to win a 4th consecutive title as the most hated player in TF so... yes, don't look for any praise for Woz in TF even against someone mentally unstable like Vera.

[TheEmpress]

Vera can hit as consistent as Caro, with more power and more variety.

[Patrick345]

Originally Posted by Blu€

Caro is on her way to win a 4th consecutive title as the most hated player in TF so... yes, don't look for any praise for Woz even against someone mentally unstable like Vera.

Peak defense is like the fat kid is with glasses and an artifical limb. It always gets picked last; as a weapon of choice in a Peak debate.

Zvonareva has a positive H2H against Wozniacki anyway during their peak years. Only a mentally unstable person would pick the defensive player in a peak debate between two players, where the offensive player in the match-up already has the real H2H lead.

[forehand27]

Originally Posted by Patrick345

Peak defense is like the fat kid is with glasses and an artifical limb. It always gets picked last; as a weapon of choice in a Peak debate.

Zvonareva has a positive H2H against Wozniacki anyway during their peak years. Only a mentally unstable person would pick the defensive player in a peak debate between two players, where the offensive player in the match-up already has the real H2H lead.

So now Vera is considered an offensive player, lol! She is a bit more offensive than Wozniacki, but both are more defensive than offensive. As for the defensive player never having the edge in a peak thread, peak Nadal has the edge on peak Federer, peak Djokovic has the edge vs all power players at their peak except peak Federer (and so does peak Nadal, except in his case including Federer), peak Sanchez Vicario has the edge over peak Huber, peak Majoli, peak Maggie Maleeva, peak Date, maybe peak Pierce, despite that all hit much harder than her. Would you say peak Na has the edge on peak Hingis since she hits much harder and is probably more offensive.

[dragonflies]

I found the thread " Peak Vikapower vs peak GoDokic, WWW? " is more exciting than this.


Having said that, although I can hardly get excited watching these 2 players playing,, Did Vera and Woz all reach their respected " peaks" around somewhere in between 09-11, where Woz were at #1, Vera reached her best at #2, and Woz owned all the Russian players with a record of 35-4 or something like that?

[resilience]