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Old Nov 8th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #16
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

ATP idiots, are the players involved in this kind of negotiation?
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

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Just to play Devil's advocate here for a moment, what exactly is the motive behind Ellison's offer to increase prize money by $800K? Is he doing it because he wants tennis players to have more money or is he trying to set Indian Wells apart from the other Masters tournaments? If, as I suspect, the latter then that raises a further question.

If you have a Masters series where one tournament is giving out more nearly twice as much in prize money as most of the other events, doesn't that undermine the integrety of the series. After all, these tournaments are supposed to be on a par with each other. They have equal ranking points and are supposed to carry the same prestige. If Indian Wells were to increase prize money by $800K, the Masters events would look like this:

Indian Wells - $5.495 million
Miami - $3.973M
Madrid - $3.940M
Shanghai - 3.531M
Rome - $3.096M
Paris - $3.096M
Monte Carlo - $3.096M
Cincinnatti - $2.825M
Rogers Cup - $2.649M

If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.
Miami and IW will always have bigger prize money due to the 96 players draw.
Dubai has a Premier event. The prize money is about 2 millions dollars. Nobody is complaining.
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

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Ellison: Yeah, sure. Love those guys. Heck, Nadal even stayed at one of my homes last year, remember? Nice kid, but left water bottles under all the chairs. Anyway, the tennis and players and the money -- let me guess: Someone asked where to send the thank-you note? Tell 'em not to worry about it.

Ellison: Call up Tim Finchem for me, would you? Pretty sure my money is good with the PGA Tour guys.



I think Ellison wants something we don't know and somebody (IMG ? ) is denying him.


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Just to play Devil's advocate here for a moment, what exactly is the motive behind Ellison's offer to increase prize money by $800K? ...

Indian Wells - $5.495 million
Miami - $3.973M
Madrid - $3.940M
Shanghai - 3.531M
Rome - $3.096M
Paris - $3.096M
Monte Carlo - $3.096M
Cincinnatti - $2.825M
Rogers Cup - $2.649M

If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.

Ellison knew what he got into and knew where the ATP's interest lies. He is just being a prick because he was denied of something.


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ATP idiots, are the players involved in this kind of negotiation?
It's not about the players, the ATP/WTA, tennis, sports, business, etc .... it's all about Ellison .
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

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The ATP Tour Board of Directors passed on a proposal by the BNP Paribas Open at Indian Wells to increase its prize money by at least $800,000, in which most of the increase would be distributed among winners of the first three rounds. Tournament CEO Raymond Moore told the Desert Sun that the event offered to increase prize money by 29 percent or $1.6 million ($800,000 would also go to WTA players), but the ATP board voted 3-3, with CEO Brad Drewett abstaining
.A source told TENNIS.com that the tournament representatives on the ATP Board voted against the increase, with the player representatives voting for it.
ATP - What a disgrace........

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It is unclear how much Indian Wells proposed to give players in the first three rounds of 2013, but Moore said there would be small raises for the quarterfinalists and semifinalists, but no increases for the runner-up or champion. The ATP Players Council has been advocating for a greater share of prize money to go to lower-rounds winners.
I just don't get it , IW wanted to do what everybody wants : to increase reward for earlier rounds , but even this offer denied
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

It might just be a show.
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

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What tournament is this?
Indian Wells (Premier Mandartory)



By the way , according to Stakhovski ATP denied this offer from IW not because of the sum of money and this huge intimidating(for others) prize fund , but more because this increase was to be distributed among earlier rounds , with no increase to the winner and low increase to semi/quarterfinalists....

It looks even more worse now

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Hard to understand the ATP decision on Indian Wells ...don't allow tournament to increase their prize money is absurd..

Sergiy Stakhovsky ‏@Stako_tennis

@TennisReporters the distribution was not by the book..but it was not this year ether ..next year would be significant increase in 1st rds..

Sergiy Stakhovsky ‏@Stako_tennis

In the ATP Rulebook there is a %key for PM distribution for every TIER of Tournaments..
It seems to me that he means that ATP denied offer for significant increase in 1st-4thR prize money in IW with slight increase in QF/SF and no increase in F/W , just because it's against their rules......

That's how ATP takes care about "struggling for a living" not top50 players..... Nice from them
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Just to play Devil's advocate here for a moment, what exactly is the motive behind Ellison's offer to increase prize money by $800K? Is he doing it because he wants tennis players to have more money or is he trying to set Indian Wells apart from the other Masters tournaments? If, as I suspect, the latter then that raises a further question.

If you have a Masters series where one tournament is giving out more nearly twice as much in prize money as most of the other events, doesn't that undermine the integrety of the series. After all, these tournaments are supposed to be on a par with each other. They have equal ranking points and are supposed to carry the same prestige. If Indian Wells were to increase prize money by $800K, the Masters events would look like this:

Indian Wells - $5.495 million
Miami - $3.973M
Madrid - $3.940M
Shanghai - 3.531M
Rome - $3.096M
Paris - $3.096M
Monte Carlo - $3.096M
Cincinnatti - $2.825M
Rogers Cup - $2.649M

If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.
What's wrong with that?

So what if Larry Ellison wants to put IW apart in terms of money and in terms of amenities like HawkEye on every court. These are good things, not bad. It's not like Larry is demanding that the IW winners and losers get more points than other Masters events or something like that. For the sake of bureaucratic uniformity they could always name the extra prize money a "bonus" or whatever. So ATP's presented excuse doesn't pass the common-sense test, and the ATP CEO's abstention is a chicken shit coward move (he obviously is closer to IMG & co rather than the players, which is a disgrace since his organization is supposed to be a players organization).

For analogy: the Australian Open prize money is almost double the amount payed by Wimbledon, yet Wimbledon and the other slams are not destroyed by AO's move. They have stuck and kept their own prize money limits.
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Indian Wells (Premier Mandartory)



By the way , according to Stakhovski ATP denied this offer from IW not because of the sum of money and this huge intimidating(for others) prize fund , but more because this increase was to be distributed among earlier rounds , with no increase to the winner and low increase to semi/quarterfinalists....

It looks even more worse now



It seems to me that he means that ATP denied offer for significant increase in 1st-4thR prize money in IW with slight increase in QF/SF and no increase in F/W , just because it's against their rules......

That's how ATP takes care about "struggling for a living" not top50 players..... Nice from them
They had to come up with some BS to deny their responsibility. As he said in the tweet "but it was not this year ether", so...
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If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.
Its funny, no one mentions this point of view when ppl want unreasonable raise for slam 1st rounds even if it would exceed the prize money of winning an ATP/WTA MM title. Wouldnt that hurt small tournaments and whole ATP/WTA tour?
double standards much?
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Surprised this hasn't been discussed.



Assuming the women would have received the same 800k boost in prize money as well, interesting to know if the issue was discussed with the WTA at all?
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One suspects that every player from Roger Federer to the likely first-round losers is hurling crockery, wondering why his own organization would take money off the table. But one also wonders how this went over with Ellison.
Threw it back in Larry Ellison's egomaniac-pompous-elitist face.
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Just to play Devil's advocate here for a moment, what exactly is the motive behind Ellison's offer to increase prize money by $800K? Is he doing it because he wants tennis players to have more money or is he trying to set Indian Wells apart from the other Masters tournaments? If, as I suspect, the latter then that raises a further question.

If you have a Masters series where one tournament is giving out more nearly twice as much in prize money as most of the other events, doesn't that undermine the integrety of the series. After all, these tournaments are supposed to be on a par with each other. They have equal ranking points and are supposed to carry the same prestige. If Indian Wells were to increase prize money by $800K, the Masters events would look like this:

Indian Wells - $5.495 million
Miami - $3.973M
Madrid - $3.940M
Shanghai - 3.531M
Rome - $3.096M
Paris - $3.096M
Monte Carlo - $3.096M
Cincinnatti - $2.825M
Rogers Cup - $2.649M

If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.
If the tournament gets more money from ticket sales, TV rights and sponsors than other Masters tournaments, thus has more money to give to the players, than maybe all interested parties already perceive it as the most prestigious one?
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/11/i.../#.UKV0x2e5Xpj

not WTA, though some really dont like Ellison.
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Just to play Devil's advocate here for a moment, what exactly is the motive behind Ellison's offer to increase prize money by $800K? Is he doing it because he wants tennis players to have more money or is he trying to set Indian Wells apart from the other Masters tournaments? If, as I suspect, the latter then that raises a further question.

If you have a Masters series where one tournament is giving out more nearly twice as much in prize money as most of the other events, doesn't that undermine the integrety of the series. After all, these tournaments are supposed to be on a par with each other. They have equal ranking points and are supposed to carry the same prestige. If Indian Wells were to increase prize money by $800K, the Masters events would look like this:

Indian Wells - $5.495 million
Miami - $3.973M
Madrid - $3.940M
Shanghai - 3.531M
Rome - $3.096M
Paris - $3.096M
Monte Carlo - $3.096M
Cincinnatti - $2.825M
Rogers Cup - $2.649M

If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.
There are already discrepencies between prize money, even with tournaments with the same draw size. For me, this just strengthens the arguement for a prize money increase.
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If Ellison is trying to raise Indian Wells' status above that of other Masters Series events, are the ATP really being unreasonable in stopping that from happening.
As long as IW winner's prize money isn't (much) above other TMS events, it isn't above other TMSs in prestige. The only reason why ATP (Association of Tennis Promoters) didn't accept that was that other events' promoters would've had pressure to raise their R2 & R3 prize moneys.

And what if WTA had more prize money in IW than ATP? So what? Also Beijing, Sydney, etc. have higher prize money in WTA than in ATP. The calendar structure is different in WTA than in ATP. ATP has nine top tier non-slams/YEC, WTA's nine most important non-slams/YEC are on two tiers with P5 being below ATP's TMS in prize money. So ATP still gives more prize money.
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Re: WTA influence on Prize Money?: ATP votes down 800k Prize Money Increase at IW

ATP is going to reconsider the IW prize money increase.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...996628834.html

And I understood that increase on WTA prize money also depends on ATP's decision. If there's an increase, it's for both ATP and WTA.
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