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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 01:54 AM   #1
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Girl’s RAPIST seeks paternal visitation rights to their child

The Massachusetts teen, 14, was raped by a man, 20, she knew from church. He pleaded guilty in 2011 and was given probation, but can seek visitation of the infant after admitting he fathered the child and agreeing to pay child support. The victim's lawyer is fighting the visitation claim.
A Massachusetts man who pleaded guilty to raping a 14-year-old in 2009 is now seeking visitation rights for the child he fathered — a sensitive case that could force the victim to maintain contact with her rapist.

That possibility has left the teen mother in an emotional tailspin, according to Fox 25 Boston, and she doesn’t want to interact with the man — a then-20-year-old she had met through the same church.

“She got raped at 14,” the victim’s mother told Fox 25. “She decided to keep her baby. And now she has to hand her baby over for a visit with her rapist?”

“He threatened me,” the girl said of the rape. “He told me that he could make my life upside down, and I wouldn’t have anybody and he would pin it all on me. So I was scared.”

The victim’s rapist, who was not identified by Fox 25, was sentenced by Norfolk Superior Court Judge Thomas McGuire to 16 years probation in 2011.

Prosecutors were seeking three to five years in prison for the man, who pleaded guilty to four counts of statutory rape of a child, Fox 25 said.

But the probation was part of an arrangement in which he had to acknowledge he’s the baby’s father and follow probate and family court rules, according to the station.

That requires him to pay child support — but also gives him the chance to seek visitation.

An attorney for the man wouldn’t comment about visitation requests but said the initial relationship between the victim and his client was consensual.
But an attorney for the victim told the Daily News she filed a motion Aug. 1 asking the Superior Court judge to amend the sentencing conditions: Instead of child support, he would pay "restitution," which would prevent him from gaining access to the child through family court.

“What was the criminal court judge thinking punishing the man with the privilege of parental rights?” attorney Wendy Murphy asked Wednesday. “That’s way past irony.”

By allowing the rapist access to family court, he would theoretically have a say in the child’s education, where she lives and her religious beliefs, she added.

“This family has been very clear from the beginning that they want nothing to do with this guy,” said Murphy, who teaches classes on sexual violence at New England Law-Boston.

“What legal system requires a toddler to have a relationship with the man who raped her mother?”

A Georgetown Law Study from 2010 found that 16 states have protections for women who’ve been raped, either prohibiting the rapist from visiting the child or allowing the victim to terminate the other parent’s rights.

Massachusetts is not one of those states.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1169145
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 09:19 AM   #2
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Re: Girl’s RAPIST seeks paternal visitation rights to their child

What next?

These bleeding-heart liberals

I don't understand all this equality and rights when it's the wrong-doers who seem to have more rights than the ones they harm.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 02:26 PM   #3
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wow that is completely twisted and sick.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 02:38 PM   #4
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Re: Girl’s RAPIST seeks paternal visitation rights to their child

hmmm, based on the fact that the father got only probation,a nd on the girl's age at the time of the rape, one can only assume that he was guilty of rape only in the sense that the girl he had sex with was too young to consent. technically, every time an underage girl has sex, the man has raped her for that reason. without knowing too much of the details here, it can be assumed that sex between the two was consensual in that the girl wasn't coerced, etc.

this makes it VERY different from a case where somebody forces another person to have sex against/without their consent. i'm not saying that the father should have visitation rights, or that he shouldn't, just that this form of rape, whilst frowned on, is commonplace and treated very differently to rape where coercion is used.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 02:49 PM   #5
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What next?

These bleeding-heart liberals

I don't understand all this equality and rights when it's the wrong-doers who seem to have more rights than the ones they harm.
Liberals? Where is there a political agenda in this article? I'm pretty sure granting visitation rights to the father of a child whose mother he raped is something a conservative would be more apt to do than a liberal. Sit down please.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #6
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Liberals? Where is there a political agenda in this article? I'm pretty sure granting visitation rights to the father of a child whose mother he raped is something a conservative would be more apt to do than a liberal. Sit down please.
What?

Liberalism is all about equality.

I am not American so perhaps I do not understand, but I can't see a conservative judge awarding visitation rights to a rapist.

I am still standing up.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #7
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What?

Liberalism is all about equality.

I am not American so perhaps I do not understand, but I can't see a conservative judge awarding visitation rights to a rapist.

I am still standing up.
Yeah. I think the part of you not being American is important here, because you obviously haven't the slightest clue of what you're talking about. "Liberals" in America are far, far more likely to stand up for the rights of rape victims in America. There are still elected conservatives that say a rape victim was "asking for it" and should be forced to keep her child. Not to mention the conservatives who don't think a rape victim can even get pregnant, because her body is supposed to shut the reproductive process down when she's raped. There are conservative American politicians running just this election saying these things. So you're really trying to tell us its the liberals in America who don't care enough about rape victims? I would like you to find a so called "liberal" in America who would be for a rapist being able to visit the child of the teenage girl he raped. You should have a seat and consider not speaking of things you obviously don't have a clue about.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #8
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What?

Liberalism is all about equality.

I am not American so perhaps I do not understand, but I can't see a conservative judge awarding visitation rights to a rapist.

I am still standing up.
You most certainly do not understand. It was a conservative politician who recently made the "legitimate rape" comments. It's conservative politicians who want to prohibit abortion even in cases of rape.

Also, saying "liberals want equality" is WAYYYYY different from saying "liberals want a rapist and his victim to have equal visitation rights." That's absolutely absurd.
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Yeah. I think the part of you not being American is important here, because you obviously haven't the slightest clue of what you're talking about. "Liberals" in America are far, far more likely to stand up for the rights of rape victims in America. There are still elected conservatives that say a rape victim was "asking for it" and should be forced to keep her child. Not to mention the conservatives who don't think a rape victim can even get pregnant, because her body is supposed to shut the reproductive process down when she's raped. There are conservative American politicians running just this election saying these things. So you're really trying to tell us its the liberals in America who don't care enough about rape victims? I would like you to find a so called "liberal" in America who would be for a rapist being able to visit the child of the teenage girl he raped. You should have a seat and consider not speaking of things you obviously don't have a clue about.
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You most certainly do not understand. It was a conservative politician who recently made the "legitimate rape" comments. It's conservative politicians who want to prohibit abortion even in cases of rape.

Also, saying "liberals want equality" is WAYYYYY different from saying "liberals want a rapist and his victim to have equal visitation rights." That's absolutely absurd.
OK.

I think I understand now.

I don't understand the USA. What I meant was that I hate that criminals have too many rights. I just don't believe in this case and the visition rights involved.

Maybe I meant Rebublican.

Can't we just talk about this story?

Which I abhorr btw.
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Old Sep 28th, 2012, 10:17 PM   #11
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Disgusting. Hopefully his visitation claim is denied.

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OK.

I think I understand now.

I don't understand the USA. What I meant was that I hate that criminals have too many rights. I just don't believe in this case and the visition rights involved.

Maybe I meant Rebublican.

Can't we just talk about this story?

Which I abhorr btw.
Dude, you're such an ignorant fool. You always talk shit about America, especially something you have absolutely NO clue about and then stuff like this happens. Kudos to dybbuk & égalité for collecting you together. Maybe next time, before you post, do a little research, maybe spend a few seconds on wikipedia or something so you won't look like such a dipshit.
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Whatever.

I do not agree with this.

Surely that computes?

You can tell I disagree with this action, don't spend too many hours dissecting my post please.
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