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Old Sep 5th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #16
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

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Serena didn't have that good year actually. If we count only slams Vuvu advanced deeper at all of them, Rena only at Wimbi, then we add Olympics they both have 2 medals, then we add the rest of the tour and overall dominance in rankings Vuvu again comes on top, if in USO F Vika looses to Serena and they both have terrible results at YEC i don't see how Rena could edge over Vuvu
Let get me this straight.
Serena wins Wimbledon, Olympics Wimbledon, USO and along the way, beats Maria, Azarenka, Kvitova and Radwanska convincingly.

And you are still picking Azarenka with on one single GS?
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Old Sep 5th, 2012, 08:45 PM   #17
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

PS: I forgot (how could I).

Serena also won the Olympics this year.

If she wins the US Open, and/or the YEC (if she went), its' a wrap for her with POY.
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Old Sep 5th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #18
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Vika has simply been more impressive overall, no R1/early round slam loss either.
Win loss record for 2012

Serena 50-4 slam, gold
Vika 52-7 slam, bronze
Maria 48-7 slam, silver
(Correct if wrong, someone.)

How is Vika more impressive overall again?

The weekend will decide, since they rarely seem to consider YEC.
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Old Sep 5th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #19
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Assuming Serena gets through, we will have Vika/Maria/Serena remaining to play for the title(ok and Errani,but like really )
You might as well do the same eyeroll for Vika and Maria since their odds of winning the title while Serena is still around are about on par with Errani's.
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You might as well do the same eyeroll for Vika and Maria since their odds of winning the title while Serena is still around are about on par with Errani's.
So Sara Errani has as much chance to beat Serena-Maria/Vika back-to-back in a GS SF-F on harcourts as Maria or Vika do to beat Serena??? Please......the last 2 times Vika and Serena met in a Slam(2 in last 5) Vika has been 2 points away from taking a set, and despite the horrible match up Maria HAS beaten Serena before in big matches(not likely to happen now until Maria sees a doctor,but still faaaaaar higher a chance than Errani). It's okay to state the obvious but please don't be ludicrous with the hate.
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Let get me this straight.
Serena wins Wimbledon, Olympics Wimbledon, USO and along the way, beats Maria, Azarenka, Kvitova and Radwanska convincingly.

And you are still picking Azarenka with on one single GS?
yes, 2GS proves she is champion but not the POY, for me overall performance on tour is what important when choosing POY, personally i don't like when people(players\fans\journalists\etc..) put GS above the rest of the tour, GS should be pinnacle of the tour but not the only tournament on the tour that matters
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

[quote=tennisbum79;22156201]In addition to POY, were Serena to win this, she will get a solid foot in the conversation as the best ever.

I recognized many posters here do not agree with it, but tennis commentator have started to increasingly mention her name.
Some argue that it is not only the number of GS won, but also the stiffness of the competition in over the years since 1997 when she won her first GS.
Yes Martina Nav and Eteffi Graf have more GS, but did they face an ever rejunvenating competition throughout their career when ethy won GS?[/quote]

I can't with the double standards....this really belongs in a different thread but oh well: since 2008 Serena has won almost half her GS titles-(6) yet since 2008 the tour has LARGELY been considered a joke with the likes of Jankovic,Safina and Woz being number 1 and many considering the level of play the worst ever in tour history with 'generation' suck emerging. Her 6 slam wins coming over none other than: Jankovic,Safina,Venus,post retirementHenin,Zvonareva and Radwanska, and in a few of those slams she didn't face a top 10 player.

Now check my history cuz i've never been one the make these claims towards the tour(and i feel 2011-2012 has significantly increased the tour's level) but i find statements like these to be bewildering.
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

Serena with 2 Slams and OG will be much >>>>>>>>>> than anyone with 1 Slam and without OG , especially Vika with her not much better RG accomplishment

someone will try to remember Vika's IW and Dubais , but this streak was not more than 1/4 of the season and only on HC, whereas Rena has wins on fast clay courts and grass in her pocket
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no match for Serena,obv
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and her "scores" against Sharpie or Azarenka are ...lol
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Let get me this straight.
Serena wins Wimbledon, Olympics Wimbledon, USO and along the way, beats Maria, Azarenka, Kvitova and Radwanska convincingly.

And you are still picking Azarenka with on one single GS?
So now Olympics count as a Grand Slam..now that Serena won it ...when for years her stans claimed it was just a glorified exhibition event.

Serena is out of the question for Player of the Year...1R at Roland Garros 4rd Australian Open. The winner of Azarenka/Sharapova should get POY.
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So now Olympics count as a Grand Slam..now that Serena won it ...when for years her stans claimed it was just a glorified exhibition event.

Serena is out of the question for Player of the Year...1R at Roland Garros 4rd Australian Open. The winner of Azarenka/Sharapova should get POY.
Are you serious?

Even if Serena wins the US Open (and Wimby and the Olympics), with the best winning percentage; albeit as a almost part time player, she shouldn't win player of the year, cause she lost 1st round at the French?

This sounds like a Wozniaki fans argument for consistency now.
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

It's crazy that Maria could win the French Open, get to 2 other slam finals and medal at the Olympics and still not be player of the year

The point is that we have had 3 players each having incredible seasons, and it's so nice that the POY race is this close.
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Are you serious?

Even if Serena wins the US Open (and Wimby and the Olympics), with the best winning percentage; albeit as a almost part time player, she shouldn't win player of the year, cause she lost 1st round at the French?
You said it. And again since when Olympics is more important than tournaments like Indian Wells/Rome
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yes, 2GS proves she is champion but not the POY, for me overall performance on tour is what important when choosing POY, personally i don't like when people(players\fans\journalists\etc..) put GS above the rest of the tour, GS should be pinnacle of the tour but not the only tournament on the tour that matters
So if Serena wins the USO she would have two more titles this year than Vika, one more Premier event title than Vika, one more Slam than Vika, a Gold medal to Vika's bronze medal, more finals than Vika, a 3-0 head to head with Vika, and a better win-loss record than Vika. Yet Vika would still have had the better year. Oh, ok.
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