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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #31
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Re: FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

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I suspect the Therese Villard de Kermel connection is correct but have no proof (yet!)

In the meantime I've found a picture of Mlle de Kermel
http://www.chansons-net.com/tennis/a.../france-2.html

the text says:
-there are 3 entries in 1897
-only 1 entry in 1898
-in 1900 Prevost wins the final by w/o - [presumably this means Masson did not defend but does not necessarily mean that that Prevost played no matches to get to the final]
-in 1901 there are only 3 entries [Girod, Leroux, and Prevost] but only one match is played since Prevost defaults the [challenge round] final
-in 1907 there are only 3 entries [presumably de Kermel, d'Elva, and GillouFenwick] but only one set is played when d'Elva retires after losing the first set 6-1, and then the finalist [presumably GillouFenwick] does not show for the [challenge round] final
-to drum up interest, the magazine Femina does a feature on K GillouFenwick
Interesting. I wonder what sources were used by Bruno, the guy who runs/ran that site? It was clear anyway that very few players took part in the Closed French Championships in the early years.
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Old Oct 28th, 2011, 01:50 PM   #32
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P. Legh = Pennington Legh (GBR)
This player's correct name is Ruth Isabel Pennington-Legh. She later married an Edward Winch and was known under her married name of Ruth Winch.

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Old Nov 1st, 2011, 10:55 AM   #33
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Re: FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

An early Scottish player, L. Paterson, was Lottie Paterson (real first name: Charlotte).
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The English player E.F. Rose, from the 1920s, was Eleanor Florence Rose.
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Old Nov 14th, 2011, 07:22 PM   #34
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Re: FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

(Yolanda) Claire Beckingham's sister's first names were Elma Mildred Beckingham.

The sisters were, in fact, twins.

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Re: FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

R.V. Salusbury was Rosamund Victoria Salusbury. Her married name would be Collmann.
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Old Jan 6th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #36
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Re: FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

The first name of some of the early female German players:

P. Gusserow -> Paula Gusserow
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E. Köttgen -> Emma Köttgen
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G. Mittler -> Gertrud Mittler
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H. Kaeber -> Hete Kaeber

This player won the women's singles title at the Championships of Berlin tournament in 1919.
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The late 1920s/early 1930s player known as K. Hammer was Klara Hammer.
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Old Jan 9th, 2012, 05:20 PM   #37
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B. Kalser -> Bertha Kalser

This player enjoyed some success in Austrian, Bohemian and German tournaments at the turn of the nineteenth century. I put her down as being from Austria in the "Tournament winners by event" section, but she was from Pilsen in Bohemia.
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Old Feb 23rd, 2012, 11:58 AM   #38
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The A. Tabor who reached the All-Comers' Final at Wimbledon in 1886 was Helen Amy Tabor (23 December 1863-16 September 1946), not Agneta Tabor, as stated in at least one source.
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The H. Ridding who won the singles title at the Welsh Championships in 1897 was Henrica Ridding.
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Mrs Norton Barry, who won the singles title at the Irish Championships in 1911 and 1913, was Adelaide Norton Barry (née Adelaide Maude Wrixon-Becher). She was English, but married an Irishman.
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In the early 1900s, two sisters, A.G. Ransome and L.H. Ransome, featured in the Wimbledon draw. These were Amy Gertrude Ransome and Lucy Helen Ransome, respectively. Amy enjoyed the more success on the tennis circuit.
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Three sisters named Boadle were in the draw at Wimbledon in 1907. These were D. Boadle, M. Boadle and W. Boadle. Their first names were Dorothy, Marjorie and Winnifred. They appear to have been born in Argentina of English parentage and to have spent most of their time in that South American country. Dorothy in particular enjoyed success in South American tennis tournaments in the years 1907-16.
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Re: FIRST NAMES - Help Needed

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I can't cite sources for either of these, so you probably consider them guesses, but I have:
Theresa D'elva de Kermel
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Madge Valentine List

Best
David
We know now that the Comtesse de Kermel and Mlle d'Elva were two different people:

Mlle d'Elva was born Catherine Henriette Josephe d'Aliney d'Elva; she married a Monsieur Gérald (that being his family name).

The Comtesse de Kermel was born Thérèse Germaine Charlotte Villard.
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Another family to feature three tennis-playing sisters was the Cressy family from Manchester in England. The three sisters were Ida, Ellen and Lilian.

Ida, the eldest, was probably the best player of the three. She was runner-up to Lottie Paterson at the Scottish Championships in 1895 and 1896.

In 1897, Ellen lost to Charlotte Cooper in the All-Comers' Final at the Northern Championships tournament in Ellen's native Manchester.
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Another family to feature three tennis-playing sisters was the Cressy family from Manchester in England. The three sisters were Ida, Ellen and Lilian.

Ida, the eldest, was probably the best player of the three. She was runner-up to Lottie Paterson at the Scottish Championships in 1895 and 1896.

In 1897, Ellen lost to Charlotte Cooper in the All-Comers' Final at the Northern Championships tournament in Ellen's native Manchester.
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Hi Mark,

Do you know the year of birth of Ellen Cressy?
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Hi Mark,

Do you know the year of birth of Ellen Cressy?
Hi, Karoly,

Here are the Cressy family of Manchester, England, in the 1881 Census of England and Wales:

Household Gender Age

Parent Robert Cressy M 46
Parent Ellen Cressy F 40
Harold Cressy M 13
Ida M Cressy F 10
Lilian M Cressy F 8
Vernon H Cressy M 7
Arthur V Cressy M 6
Ellen W Cressy F 3

It looks like Ellen, the youngest child, named after the mother, was born in 1878.
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Ida M = Ida Maude
Lilian M = Lilian Mabel
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