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Old Feb 3rd, 2011, 05:08 PM   #16
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Add Saint Mary's to the list
Thanks for pointing this out. Even that I like Saint Mary's.


Would it not make sense, that ITA, apply a little technology to this. It would be fairly easy to have a computer run an analysis of every team's matches, and report if they are violating the movement rule.

Order of strength is an important rule for fair play, but then order of strength is always going to be somewhat subjective. Sometimes, I read a posting about players being played in a suspect order, and think, yeah that may be correct in hindsight, but it would be unworkable unfair to take a win away, about a placement that reasonable, and informed minds could disagree about .
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Old Feb 4th, 2011, 04:45 PM   #17
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I find this whole discussion interesting since that new rule was passed. The WCC is the most interesting I guess?

The top players seem to bounce around from match to match. Is not that illegal per that rule that was posted?

#43 Pepperdine 7, Cal State Fullerton 0
Jan 27, 2011 at Malibu, Calif. (Ralphs-Straus Tennis Center)

1. Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Tiffany Mai (CSF) 6-0, 0-6, 6-1
2. Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Morgan McIntosh (CSF) 6-4, 6-3
3. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) def. Malorie dela Cruz (CSF) 6-0, 6-2
4. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Megan Sandford (CSF) 6-2, 6-3
5. Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Karina Akhmedova (CSF) 6-0, 6-2
6. Megan Moore (PEP) def. Monica Rodriguez (CSF) 6-1, 7-6 (7-2)

1. Arianna Colffer/Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Tiffany Mai/Monica Rodriguez (CSF) 8-3
2. Anamika Bhargava/Megan Moore (PEP) def. Morgan McIntosh/Megan Sandford (CSF) 8-5
3. Andrea Oates/Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Malorie dela Cruz/Karina Akhmedova (CSF) 8-2


#56 Sacramento State 4, #43 Pepperdine 2
Jan 29, 2011 at Los Angeles, Calif. (Los Angeles Tennis Center)

1. #77 Tatsiana Kapshai (SACST) def. Marie Zalameda (PEP) 6-4, 6-4
2. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) def. Rebeca Delgado (SACST) 6-3, 6-2
3. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Maria Meliuk (SACST) 6-3, 6-3
4. Clarisse Baca (SACST) def. Arianna Colffer (PEP) 6-2, 6-4
5. Sophie Lohscheidt (SACST) vs. Andrea Oates (PEP) 5-7, 6-3, unfinished
6. Milica Zivanovic (SACST) def. Megan Moore (PEP) 6-1, 4-6, 6-3

1. Rebeca Delgado/Tatsiana Kapshai (SACST) def. Khunpak Issara/Marie Zalameda (PEP) 8-2
2. Clarisse Baca/Maria Meliuk (SACST) def. Arianna Colffer/Megan Moore (PEP) 8-6
3. Anamika Bhargava/Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Katharina Knoebl/Sophie Lohscheidt (SACST) 8-2

Was that not an illegal move? Colffer a straight move from number 2 to number 4?

#43 Pepperdine 4, #67 San Diego 3
Jan 31, 2011 at Los Angeles, Calif. (Los Angeles Tennis Center)

1. Stephanie Hoffpauir (USD) def. Marie Zalameda (PEP) 6-0, 6-4
2. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) def. Laura Claus (USD) 3-6, 6-4, 6-2
3. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Josymar Escalona (USD) 4-6, 6-1, 6-2
4. Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Juliette Coupez (USD) 6-2, 6-2
5. Anna Depenau (USD) def. Andrea Oates (PEP) 6-3, 3-6, 6-2
6. Marite Raygada (USD) def. Megan Moore (PEP) 6-3, 6-1

1. Khunpak Issara/Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Juliette Coupez/Maja Sujica (USD) 8-3
2. Arianna Colffer/Megan Moore (PEP) vs. Laura Claus/Josymar Escalona (USD) 5-7, unfinished
3. Anamika Bhargava/Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Anna Depenau/Stephanie Hoffpauir (USD) 8-5


#50 Pepperdine 6, #65 UC Irvine 1
Feb 03, 2011 at Malibu, Calif. (Ralphs-Straus Tennis Center)

1. Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Courtney Bryron (UCI) 7-5, 6-4
2. Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Becka Kwan (UCI) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4
3. Kristina Smith (UCI) def. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) 6-3, 4-6, 1-0 (10-6)
4. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Franziska Goettschin (UCI) 6-4, 6-3
5. Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Brooke Schweyer (UCI) 0-6, 6-4, 6-2
6. Megan Moore (PEP) def. Hannah Holladay (UCI) 7-6 (7-2), 4-6, 1-0 (10-8)

1. Marie Zalameda/Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Courtney Bryron/Becka Kwan (UCI) 8-3
2. Anamika Bhargava/Megan Moore (PEP) def. Franziska Goettschin/Kristina Smith (UCI) 8-2
3. Khunpak Issara/Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Hannah Holladay/Brooke Schweyer (UCI) 8-3

Was Colffer moving straight from # 4 to # 1 not an even more illegal second move?

I believe that somebody on TennisForum questioned USD putting Coupez at fourth position, the St. Mary's line up was just questioned and looking at Pepperdine this seems wrong also. These are all WCC schools and all ranked schools. Why does the NCAA allow this or why do coaches not protest?

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I find this whole discussion interesting since that new rule was passed. The WCC is the most interesting I guess?

The top players seem to bounce around from match to match. Is not that illegal per that rule that was posted?

#43 Pepperdine 7, Cal State Fullerton 0
Jan 27, 2011 at Malibu, Calif. (Ralphs-Straus Tennis Center)

1. Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Tiffany Mai (CSF) 6-0, 0-6, 6-1
2. Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Morgan McIntosh (CSF) 6-4, 6-3
3. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) def. Malorie dela Cruz (CSF) 6-0, 6-2
4. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Megan Sandford (CSF) 6-2, 6-3
5. Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Karina Akhmedova (CSF) 6-0, 6-2
6. Megan Moore (PEP) def. Monica Rodriguez (CSF) 6-1, 7-6 (7-2)

1. Arianna Colffer/Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Tiffany Mai/Monica Rodriguez (CSF) 8-3
2. Anamika Bhargava/Megan Moore (PEP) def. Morgan McIntosh/Megan Sandford (CSF) 8-5
3. Andrea Oates/Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Malorie dela Cruz/Karina Akhmedova (CSF) 8-2


#56 Sacramento State 4, #43 Pepperdine 2
Jan 29, 2011 at Los Angeles, Calif. (Los Angeles Tennis Center)

1. #77 Tatsiana Kapshai (SACST) def. Marie Zalameda (PEP) 6-4, 6-4
2. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) def. Rebeca Delgado (SACST) 6-3, 6-2
3. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Maria Meliuk (SACST) 6-3, 6-3
4. Clarisse Baca (SACST) def. Arianna Colffer (PEP) 6-2, 6-4
5. Sophie Lohscheidt (SACST) vs. Andrea Oates (PEP) 5-7, 6-3, unfinished
6. Milica Zivanovic (SACST) def. Megan Moore (PEP) 6-1, 4-6, 6-3

1. Rebeca Delgado/Tatsiana Kapshai (SACST) def. Khunpak Issara/Marie Zalameda (PEP) 8-2
2. Clarisse Baca/Maria Meliuk (SACST) def. Arianna Colffer/Megan Moore (PEP) 8-6
3. Anamika Bhargava/Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Katharina Knoebl/Sophie Lohscheidt (SACST) 8-2

Was that not an illegal move? Colffer a straight move from number 2 to number 4?

#43 Pepperdine 4, #67 San Diego 3
Jan 31, 2011 at Los Angeles, Calif. (Los Angeles Tennis Center)

1. Stephanie Hoffpauir (USD) def. Marie Zalameda (PEP) 6-0, 6-4
2. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) def. Laura Claus (USD) 3-6, 6-4, 6-2
3. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Josymar Escalona (USD) 4-6, 6-1, 6-2
4. Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Juliette Coupez (USD) 6-2, 6-2
5. Anna Depenau (USD) def. Andrea Oates (PEP) 6-3, 3-6, 6-2
6. Marite Raygada (USD) def. Megan Moore (PEP) 6-3, 6-1

1. Khunpak Issara/Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Juliette Coupez/Maja Sujica (USD) 8-3
2. Arianna Colffer/Megan Moore (PEP) vs. Laura Claus/Josymar Escalona (USD) 5-7, unfinished
3. Anamika Bhargava/Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Anna Depenau/Stephanie Hoffpauir (USD) 8-5


#50 Pepperdine 6, #65 UC Irvine 1
Feb 03, 2011 at Malibu, Calif. (Ralphs-Straus Tennis Center)

1. Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Courtney Bryron (UCI) 7-5, 6-4
2. Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Becka Kwan (UCI) 7-6 (7-3), 6-4
3. Kristina Smith (UCI) def. Anamika Bhargava (PEP) 6-3, 4-6, 1-0 (10-6)
4. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Franziska Goettschin (UCI) 6-4, 6-3
5. Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Brooke Schweyer (UCI) 0-6, 6-4, 6-2
6. Megan Moore (PEP) def. Hannah Holladay (UCI) 7-6 (7-2), 4-6, 1-0 (10-8)

1. Marie Zalameda/Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Courtney Bryron/Becka Kwan (UCI) 8-3
2. Anamika Bhargava/Megan Moore (PEP) def. Franziska Goettschin/Kristina Smith (UCI) 8-2
3. Khunpak Issara/Andrea Oates (PEP) def. Hannah Holladay/Brooke Schweyer (UCI) 8-3

Was Colffer moving straight from # 4 to # 1 not an even more illegal second move?

I believe that somebody on TennisForum questioned USD putting Coupez at fourth position, the St. Mary's line up was just questioned and looking at Pepperdine this seems wrong also. These are all WCC schools and all ranked schools. Why does the NCAA allow this or why do coaches not protest?

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Yes that is an example of two violations. The only legal way to move up more than two spots is if two or more people ahead of you sit out in the next dual. Consequently the only way to move down two or more spots is if two or more people ahead of you sat out in the previous dual and then are inserted back in the line-up in the next dual.

Great catch.

With the third party protests I am surprised that there are not more call-outs. However, I think there is an attached stigma for coaches calling each other out. In addition because it is early in the season I think some coaches are taking a blind eye however as we get deeper in the season (with conference titles and NCAA bids on the line) that protests will happen. Let's hope our thread will increase awareness.
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Saint Mary's with their second violation

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#9 California 5, #40 Saint Mary's (CA) 2
Jan 31, 2011 at Berkeley, Calif.
Singles competition
1. #1 Jana Juricova (CAL) def. #85 Alex Poorta (SMC) 6-1, 6-3
2. #46 Mari Andersson (CAL) def. Catherine Isip (SMC) 6-7 (0-5), 6-4, 6-1
3. #44 Annie Goransson (CAL) def. Jenny Jullien (SMC) 6-2, 3-6, 6-4
4. #35 Tayler Davis (CAL) def. Claire Soper (SMC) 6-2, 6-2
5. Anna Chkhikvishvili (SMC) def. Alice Duranteau (CAL) 4-6, 6-2, 6-1
6. Laurie Gingras (SMC) def. Stephany Chang (CAL) 6-7 (0-6), 6-4, 6-4

Doubles competition
1. #5 Mari Andersson/Jana Juricova (CAL) def. #87 Catherine Isip/Alex Poorta (SMC) 8-1
2. Annie Goransson/Tayler Davis (CAL) def. Alita Fisher/Jenny Jullien (SMC) 8-2
3. Anna Chkhikvishvili/Claire Soper (SMC) def. Marina Cossou/Alice Duranteau (CAL) 8-1
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#40 Saint Mary's (CA) 5, Fresno State 2
Feb 03, 2011 at Fresno, Calif.
Singles competition
1. #85 Alex Poorta (SMC) def. #75 Marianne Jodoin (FRES) 6-3, 7-5
2. Catherine Isip (SMC) def. Laura Pola (FRES) 4-6, 6-3, 6-3
3. Claire Soper (SMC) def. Melissa McQueen (FRES) 2-6, 6-4, 6-0
4. Anna Chkhikvishvili (SMC) def. #81 Mary Abby Haley (FRES) 4-6, 7-6, 6-0
5. Jenny Jullien (SMC) def. Bianca Modoc (FRES) 6-3, 6-0
6. Olga Kirpicheva (FRES) def. Laurie Gingras (SMC) 7-6, 7-6

Doubles competition
1. Laura Pola/Marianne Jodoin (FRES) def. #87 Catherine Isip/Alex Poorta (SMC) 8-7
2. Melissa McQueen/Bianca Modoc (FRES) def. Alita Fisher/Jenny Jullien (SMC) 8-4
3. Anna Chkhikvishvili/Claire Soper (SMC) def. Anna Mikhaylova/Olga Kirpicheva (FRES) 8-2
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Can you play for two schools in the same year in college tennis? I know you can not in other NCAA sports.

http://www.wsucougars.com/sports/w-t...092510aac.html

Sept. 24, 2010


PULLMAN, Wash.-- The Washington State University women's tennis team completed a successful first day at the 2010 Cougar Classic at the WSU Outdoor Tennis Courts. The Cougars had eight of 10 players advance to the round of 16 in singles and two doubles teams are playing in the semifinals.


In the Gray singles bracket, Marina Nicolas, Jackie Owens, Erin Troedson, and Jessica Gomez advanced to the third round. Following a first round bye, Nicolas advanced with a win over Rocio Norena of Eastern Washington 6-1, 6-0. Owens also had a first round bye then defeated Ashley Mackey of Montana 6-4, 6-0. Troedson defeated Gabi Villegas of Montana State 1-6, 6-1, 7-5 and Natalie Martin of Seattle 6-2, 6-1. Jessica Gomez beat Judy Leining of Eastern Washington 6-3, 6-0, and Natalie Kirch of Idaho 6-3, 6-3. Lea Jansen will compete on Saturday in the second round consolation after defeating Lucy Fairbotham of Montana State 6-2, 6-1, then falling to Jackie Tabb of Gonzaga 2-6, 6-3, 7-5.


http://www.pepperdinesports.com/spor...020811aaa.html

#51 Pepperdine 4, Hawai'i 3
Singles competition
1. Katarina Poljakova (HAW) def. Arianna Colffer (PEP) 6-4, 7-6 (8-6)
2. Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Barbara Pinterova (HAW) 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
3. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Magdalena Ploch (HAW) 6-4, 3-0, retired
4. Nathasha Zorec (HAW) def. Andrea Oates (PEP) 7-5, 7-6
5. Alyssa Nafarrete (HAW) def. Megan Moore (PEP) 6-4, 6-0
6. Jackie Owens (PEP) def. Mari Tadaki (HAW) 6-2, 4-6, 7-6 (7-4)

Doubles competition
1. Marie Zalameda/Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Barbara Pinterova/Katarina Poljakova (HAW) 8-6
2. Megan Moore/Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Magdalena Ploch/Alyssa Nafarrete (HAW) 9-7
3. Nathasha Zorec/Mari Tadaki (HAW) def. Tara Panu/Andrea Oates (PEP) 8-6

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Can you play for two schools in the same year in college tennis? I know you can not in other NCAA sports.

http://www.wsucougars.com/sports/w-t...092510aac.html

Sept. 24, 2010


PULLMAN, Wash.-- The Washington State University women's tennis team completed a successful first day at the 2010 Cougar Classic at the WSU Outdoor Tennis Courts. The Cougars had eight of 10 players advance to the round of 16 in singles and two doubles teams are playing in the semifinals.


In the Gray singles bracket, Marina Nicolas, Jackie Owens, Erin Troedson, and Jessica Gomez advanced to the third round. Following a first round bye, Nicolas advanced with a win over Rocio Norena of Eastern Washington 6-1, 6-0. Owens also had a first round bye then defeated Ashley Mackey of Montana 6-4, 6-0. Troedson defeated Gabi Villegas of Montana State 1-6, 6-1, 7-5 and Natalie Martin of Seattle 6-2, 6-1. Jessica Gomez beat Judy Leining of Eastern Washington 6-3, 6-0, and Natalie Kirch of Idaho 6-3, 6-3. Lea Jansen will compete on Saturday in the second round consolation after defeating Lucy Fairbotham of Montana State 6-2, 6-1, then falling to Jackie Tabb of Gonzaga 2-6, 6-3, 7-5.


http://www.pepperdinesports.com/spor...020811aaa.html

#51 Pepperdine 4, Hawai'i 3
Singles competition
1. Katarina Poljakova (HAW) def. Arianna Colffer (PEP) 6-4, 7-6 (8-6)
2. Marie Zalameda (PEP) def. Barbara Pinterova (HAW) 6-2, 3-6, 6-2
3. Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Magdalena Ploch (HAW) 6-4, 3-0, retired
4. Nathasha Zorec (HAW) def. Andrea Oates (PEP) 7-5, 7-6
5. Alyssa Nafarrete (HAW) def. Megan Moore (PEP) 6-4, 6-0
6. Jackie Owens (PEP) def. Mari Tadaki (HAW) 6-2, 4-6, 7-6 (7-4)

Doubles competition
1. Marie Zalameda/Arianna Colffer (PEP) def. Barbara Pinterova/Katarina Poljakova (HAW) 8-6
2. Megan Moore/Khunpak Issara (PEP) def. Magdalena Ploch/Alyssa Nafarrete (HAW) 9-7
3. Nathasha Zorec/Mari Tadaki (HAW) def. Tara Panu/Andrea Oates (PEP) 8-6
It is possible, ironically Alexandria Walters now of Pepperdine (formerly UCLA) was the most recent one I can think of. I assume that it is only possible if at the school you transferred from, you were not on scholarship.
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It is possible, ironically Alexandria Walters now of Pepperdine (formerly UCLA) was the most recent one I can think of. I assume that it is only possible if at the school you transferred from, you were not on scholarship.
Google search was complicated but I think the NCAA changed the transfer rule for tennis as of this year to be like most other sports. This publication says a tennis athlete can not transfer mid year and be immediately eligible if you played at the other school during the same academic year or if you were getting a scholarship. If this is true than would the Pepperdine player be eligible this spring?

http://www.ncaapublications.com/prod...ONLINE2010.pdf on page 19

During the search I read that this just changed. It was passed a couple years ago to be effective this school year. I know you can transfer over the summer in baseball but had never heard of being eligible to do it right in the middle of the school year. Letting someone play for two schools in the same year seems weird.

Another transfer story I searched said that only golf and tennis have more four year university to four year university transfers than women's basketball. The story turned out to be about women's basketball but why would so many tennis players transfer?

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In tennis, if you are transferring ot (sic) Division I institution at the start of the winter or spring term, you will not be eligible to compete until the next fall term, regardless if you meet an exception if you have competed during the same academic year or received athletically related financial aid during the same academic year from the previous four year institution.

Sparty, you are right. Thanks for pointing this out. I would guess that this was an accidental violation, but the rule does seem to be clear.
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Stanford is added to the list

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No. 1 Stanford 7, No. 28 SMU 0

DOUBLES
1) No. 3 Barte/Burdette (STAN) d. Lesniak/Malyarchikova (SMU) 8-2
2) Ahn/Gibbs (STAN) d. Cieplucha/Steinbauer (SMU) 8-2
3) Veronica Li/McVeigh (STAN) d. Hatamova/Turpin (SMU) 8-2
Order of Finish: 1, 3, 2

SINGLES
1) No. 5 Hilary Barte (STAN) d. No. 2 Marta Lesniak (SMU) 6-4, 7-6 (2)
2) No. 80 Nicole Gibbs (STAN) d. Edyta Cieplucha (SMU) 2-6, 6-3, 6-2
3) No. 23 Kristie Ahn (STAN) d. Heather Steinbauer (SMU) 6-2, 6-2
4) No. 31 Mallory Burdette (STAN) d. Shahzoda Hatamova (SMU) 7-5, 7-5
5) No. 47 Stacey Tan (STAN) d. Aleksandra Malyarchikova (SMU) 6-4, 7-6 (7)
6) Carolyn McVeigh (STAN) d. Ashley Turpin (SMU) 6-3, 6-1
Order of Finish: 3, 6, 5, 1, 2, 4
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No. 1 Stanford 4, No. 19 Arkansas 0

DOUBLES
1) No. 3 Barte/Burdette (STAN) d. No. 37 Paulson/Tigu (ARK) 8-1
2) Ahn/Gibbs (STAN) vs. Lukomskaya/Roy (ARK) aban.
3) McVeigh/Tan (STAN) d. Frampton/Starkova (ARK) 8-3
Order of Finish: 1,3

SINGLES
1) No. 2 Hilary Barte (STAN) vs. Claudine Paulson (ARK) aban.
2) No. 22 Mallory Burdette (STAN) d. Kate Lukomskaya (ARK) 7-5, 6-2
3) No. 20 Kristie Ahn (STAN) d. Emily Carbone (ARK) 6-2, 6-3
4) No. 21 Nicole Gibbs (STAN) d. Stephanie Roy (ARK) 6-0, 7-5
5) No. 87 Stacey Tan (STAN) vs. Valentina Starkova (ARK) aban.
6) Carolyn McVeigh (STAN) vs. Jade Frampton (ARK) aban.
Order of Finish: 3, 4, 2
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Stanford is added to the list
That idea someone had about setting up a computer program to flag each of these moves really needs to happen. Clearly letting coaches police themselves is not working. They could always manually review each one that gets flagged. When Stanford is doing this than the rules need revision. It seems such a simple rule to follow.
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Old Mar 12th, 2011, 09:01 PM   #26
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Re: 2011 Line-Up Violations

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Stanford is added to the list
Did you mean to copy and paste the UCLA match rather then the Arkansas match?
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