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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:06 AM   #46
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

She is not going to change her style. This is her 2nd slam semi in a row, and she had match point.
Nobody would change their style in that situation.
Just play one or 2 points better and you're in a slam final.

Slight improvements here & there. Everyone is trying to improve, not only Caroline.
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:07 AM   #47
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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I don't know, I actually think she's improving, but against players like Li Na she will always look like a pusher because of how aggressive these players are. Of course there's still a lot of room for her to improve, though, it's just not really her nature to go for winners, I guess.
Wonder what would happen in a match of Caro and Radwanska
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:08 AM   #48
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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She had match point today. Its not like she was blown out. One good 1st serve from the final.
Why would any 20 year old think that means she has redo her style of play?
Because waiting for her opponents to lose isn't going to cut it all the time.
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:08 AM   #49
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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She is not going to change her style. This is her 2nd slam semi in a row, and she had match point.
Nobody would change their style in that situation.
Just play one or 2 points better and you're in a slam final.
I don't think she has to change her style, just step it up in big points.
She just needs to go for it a tad more. She has the power.
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:08 AM   #50
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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Despite worldwide condemnation on her playing style, Caroline Pushniacki still insists on pushing in matches. In her AO semifinal against Li Na, she was 2 times a break up in the 2nd set and was in winning position but pushed. Eventually, Li won 3-6,7-5,6-3. Her pushing was evident in the 3rd set whereby she had 0 winners. So now the question here is: will Pushniacki ever learn that such a style of play will not win her majors? And if she does wake up, when will it be? Will it be too late?
When will you learn that "pushers" never make it past the club level, let alone #1 on the WTA computer? Will it be too late?
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:09 AM   #51
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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She had match point today. Its not like she was blown out. One good 1st serve from the final.
Why would any 20 year old think that means she has redo her style of play?
This. Wrong time to make this thread.

Perhaps Caroline choked a little bit after missed MP, but not more than she was able to break back in the third and keep it tight till the end. Most WTA players would've choked much worse after that missed MP, regardless of their playing style.

Up until that matchpoint Caroline was flawless.
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:09 AM   #52
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She is not going to change her style. This is her 2nd slam semi in a row, and she had match point.
Nobody would change their style in that situation.
Just play one or 2 points better and you're in a slam final.

Slight improvements here & there. Everyone is trying to improve, not only Caroline.
you are still in denial I see...
I guess your case is even more severe than I ever thought
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:10 AM   #53
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:17 AM   #54
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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you are still in denial I see...
I guess your case is even more severe than I ever thought
I might look back a few years from now & say it was denial. But right now I think Caro is right there, just has to be more solid on her 1st serve.
Its hard to win majors, but you keep getting match points in slam semis, you should be okay
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:23 AM   #55
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:25 AM   #56
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

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Unless she completely overhaul her stroke production and technique, or improve her transition and net play, her game will remain on plateau. You can't just go up to a defensive player like Karolina and tell her, "Go for your shots. Hit harder. Be more aggressive," because it just doesn't work that way. It's like telling a ballbasher to be more patient, contruct the points, and mix things up.

And the fact that she doesn't have enough court sense compound her problems.
But the problem is that she can play attacking tennis as well. If you saw her 2nd round match against King, she was attacking very well. However, she was pushing too much today and you cannot do that against the better players if you want to win. Why is it that she wasn't aggressive today like in her match against King?
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Old Jan 27th, 2011, 06:31 AM   #57
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The funny thing is, she is so defensive about her defensive game.

You have players like Hingis who used to admit she lacked power and wanted to work on that. Or Henin was she was coming up, acknowledging that she lacks aggression on important points. Or Schiavone now. These are all players who are naturally more "defensive-minded".

The difference being, IMO, that all these players had weapons and courtcraft they can use, or force themselves to execute even when under pressure. Wozniacki literally has none. She tries so hard to rationalise that.
Unfortunately for Caro the tour hasn't made it impossible for her to be #1 with her 5-winner style (as it certainly did during Henin's, Hingis', even ASV's time). So in press conferences, she gets those pressure-laced questions about that missing slam, etc. And she's right to defend her style and protect her confidence...while quietly working to improve that aspect of her game.

I say it's obvious to the objective eye that she's been trying to incorporate pace, conviction and winner-producing opportunism in her strokes. But it's also clear that despite her steely sunshine in pressers, the #1 thing is proving a terrible distraction. Truthfully, she should be in the final upswing of her formative period. Instead, her play through much of this month has been shoulder-heavy.
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Re: When will Caroline Pushniacki learn that pushing will not make the cut?

could goldenlox tell me how old caro is again, it has been 30 seconds since the last time i might have forgotten
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