[camilia]

Thanks Irma that was such a long but a good read

STERN: Does it bother you that you are mostly addressed with "du" in these
press conferences?


GRAF: With journalists who have known me since I was 17, using "du" doesn't
rile me so much. But with others, I sometimes find it rather impolite.

What does du mean?

[irma]

Originally Posted by camilia

Thanks Irma that was such a long but a good read



What does du mean?

It's like tu in france. In Germany it's normal to speak to each other in the Sie form because it's more polite. I guess it's same in France
We have different words in the Netherlands too (jij en u), but we say "jij" more easier then Germans say "du". At least that's what I believe.

[Markus]

Originally Posted by camilia

What does du mean?

In German you approach people with DU only if you know them very well. It's like saying Hello Camilia if this is your first name because you are only using the first name if you know the person really well. For the SIE form it's only using the Last Name, you don't use the first name, that's not polite in Germany. It's more like Hello Ms Graf. That said it is normal that you speak to children with their first name, so you are using the DU form. What Steffi was saying is that if journalists are still using DU they are thinking of her still as a child. With the exception the people who know her

[djul14]

Yes "Du" is like the french "Tu", you use "Du" when you know the person you are talking to, a friend, a collegue, etc..., whatever their age, you also use it when you're talking to someone young : kids, teeangers.

But if you don't know the person, if you're talking to an adult, or someone older than you, you say "vous" ("Sie"), except if the person allowed you to tell him "Tu". So in those case it's impolite to say "Du" (Tu), if the person didn't allow you.

God how complicated are German and French languages



I was reading an old interview (1987), in which the interviewer was talking about Steffi trashing opponents on court, he asked if sometimes she didn't have pity to baggel them for exemple and then her dad interrupted and said :
"What you want her to do ? Lose games deliberately? She already did it !...
- You already did it ?
- (confused)Euh yes, no, sometimes, but afterwards they realized it, and then they ask "why did you do that?", but well...no, it's not that I let them winning games, it's because as I am leading I can try new shots, so."

[irma]

Originally Posted by djul14

Yes "Du" is like the french "Tu", you use "Du" when you know the person you are talking to, a friend, a collegue, etc..., whatever their age, you also use it when you're talking to someone young : kids, teeangers.

But if you don't know the person, if you're talking to an adult, or someone older than you, you say "vous" ("Sie"), except if the person allowed you to tell him "Tu". So in those case it's impolite to say "Du" (Tu), if the person didn't allow you.

God how complicated are German and French languages

I think it's even more complicated here because it became so combined with the personal attitude of a person

Some are upset when you say "U" because it creates some sort of distance, and others are upset because they think "jij" is impolite.
And my chef by example comes from a village where "U" doesn't even excist in their dialect, because it was infiltrated with the English language since the fishers had to deal with them all the time on the sea.

Some people also feel that children should say "U" to their parents. But that doesn't happen very often anymore.

[Chairpersons]

Originally Posted by Chairpersons

Steffi Graf lost to patty schnyder in the 4th round of US open-1998.

and i 'm remembering Steffi revenged Patty in that year end season in 3sets.

offcourse it was an exhibition tournament and so that not added to win-loss record.

can anybody tell me what's that tourney and where it was?

i'm sure to say Graf beats Patty,but forget that tournament name?and i don't know whats the final result of Graf in that exhibition tourney!

plaese tell me if you have any idea about it?

[camilia]

Originally Posted by irma

It's like tu in france. In Germany it's normal to speak to each other in the Sie form because it's more polite. I guess it's same in France
We have different words in the Netherlands too (jij en u), but we say "jij" more easier then Germans say "du". At least that's what I believe.

Originally Posted by Markus

In German you approach people with DU only if you know them very well. It's like saying Hello Camilia if this is your first name because you are only using the first name if you know the person really well. For the SIE form it's only using the Last Name, you don't use the first name, that's not polite in Germany. It's more like Hello Ms Graf. That said it is normal that you speak to children with their first name, so you are using the DU form. What Steffi was saying is that if journalists are still using DU they are thinking of her still as a child. With the exception the people who know her

Originally Posted by djul14

Yes "Du" is like the french "Tu", you use "Du" when you know the person you are talking to, a friend, a collegue, etc..., whatever their age, you also use it when you're talking to someone young : kids, teeangers.

But if you don't know the person, if you're talking to an adult, or someone older than you, you say "vous" ("Sie"), except if the person allowed you to tell him "Tu". So in those case it's impolite to say "Du" (Tu), if the person didn't allow you.

God how complicated are German and French languages



I was reading an old interview (1987), in which the interviewer was talking about Steffi trashing opponents on court, he asked if sometimes she didn't have pity to baggel them for exemple and then her dad interrupted and said :
"What you want her to do ? Lose games deliberately? She already did it !...
- You already did it ?
- (confused)Euh yes, no, sometimes, but afterwards they realized it, and then they ask "why did you do that?", but well...no, it's not that I let them winning games, it's because as I am leading I can try new shots, so."

Thanks for explaining guys, those are really complicated languages

[djul14]

Originally Posted by Chairpersons

i'm sure to say Graf beats Patty,but forget that tournament name?and i don't know whats the final result of Graf in that exhibition tourney!

plaese tell me if you have any idea about it?

Sorry can't help you on this one.

[tennisfan2808]

Originally Posted by djul14

Sorry can't help you on this one.

Steffi beat Patty in an exhibition? Didnt know that... I thought at the end of 99 she only played exhibition against Arantxa, Jelena Dokic, Anna Kournikova, Amanda Coetzer and Kimiko Date?

[irma]

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/S.../steffi98.html

Maybe confused with Anna?. That was on tv too.

[djul14]

Cirstea interview for TennisWeek, I think she's definitly a fan and very lucky too :

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fulls...newsid=6638788

Sorana Cirstea prepared for the US Open by hitting with a pair of former US Open champions: Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf, her tennis idol.

"By Richard Pagliaro
Tuesday, September 01, 2009

I was hitting with Andre before Stanford, LA and Cincinnati and I hit with Steffi before Indian Wells," Cirstea said. "Steffi came two times and hit with me and it really helped me a lot."
(...)
Tennis Week: How has that training helped your development? Have you hit with Andre Agassi and Steffi Graf in Vegas?

Sorana Cirstea: Since I got to start working with the team my game has changed completely. I think my mental (game) has changed more than my physical game. I love Vegas — it's my favorite place. I had the honor to hit with Steffi and Andre and just to be out there on the court hitting with them meant so much to me. I was hitting with Andre before Stanford, LA and Cincinnati and I hit with Steffi before Indian Wells. Steffi came two times and hit with me and it really helped me a lot.

Tennis Week: You've said Steffi was your tennis hero growing up. What influence did Steffi have on you? Where is your primary training base?

Sorana Cirstea: Because of Steffi I started playing tennis. I saw her playing on TV and I told my parents I want to be like her. Just to meet her and spend some time with her was a dream come true for me. I have been practicing in Vegas and Amsterdam — depends on where I am.

Kim for Die Welt (German) :
http://www.welt.de/sport/article4440...sse-Hilfe.html

Tennis
Steffi Graf war für Kim Clijsters eine große Hilfe
(2)
Von Jörg Allmeroth 1. September 2009

WELT ONLINE: Frau Clijsters, als Sie im Frühjahr angekündigt haben, auf die WTA-Tour zurückzukehren, hat Ihr Idol Steffi Graf das sofort als „ganz große Bereicherung“ für das Frauentennis kommentiert.

Kim Clijsters: Ich habe mit ihr in Wimbledon gesprochen, als wir diesen Schaukampf anlässlich der Einweihung des neuen Dachs gespielt haben. Und da hat sie mich auch noch mal extra ermuntert und angespornt, diese Rückkehr selbstbewusst anzugehen, nicht zu zweifeln. Sie fand, dass ich den nötigen Biss und die Power hätte, um es zu schaffen, und sie sah kein grundlegendes Problem darin, als Mutter auf Reisen zu sein. Ihr Zuspruch war schon eine große Hilfe.

WELT ONLINE: Dieser Abstecher nach Wimbledon, das Showspiel gegen Agassi und Graf, hat Sie wieder darauf gebracht, Tennis zu spielen?

Clijsters: Ich hatte mich schon länger mit dem Gedanken getragen, eine zweite Karriere zu beginnen. Denn das ist es ja: Ein zweiter Anlauf, kein Comeback. Als dann das Angebot kam, in Wimbledon mit Steffi, Andre und Tim Henman anzutreten, war das wie eine letzte Initialzündung. Aus den unverbindlichen Plänen wurde etwas Konkretes. Aber ich muss sagen: Die Schufterei für diese Rückkehr war schon extrem hart. Ich hatte es mir nicht so schwer vorgestellt.

[Chairpersons]

Originally Posted by tennisfan2808

Steffi beat Patty in an exhibition? Didnt know that... I thought at the end of 99 she only played exhibition against Arantxa, Jelena Dokic, Anna Kournikova, Amanda Coetzer and Kimiko Date?

No,its in 1998 ending.

and Irma, i understood what you try to say,but ireally see the result on CNN channel in that year.

and it's not only a match.its an tourney like A&P..etc!

Once again enquire anyone and find the result.

Thanking you,

[fnuf7]

Umm, not sure if this has already been posted or whatever but Steffi is going to be in New York doing some charity/tennis clinic type thing where you can apparently meet her, watch her do some tennis stuff etc.

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fulls...newsid=6638832

[djul14]

Originally Posted by fnuf7

Umm, not sure if this has already been posted or whatever but Steffi is going to be in New York doing some charity/tennis clinic type thing where you can apparently meet her, watch her do some tennis stuff etc.

http://www.tennisweek.com/news/fulls...newsid=6638832

Thanks a lot for the news

[camilia]

That's certainly good news for fans who live out there