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Old Oct 22nd, 2008, 09:31 PM   #76
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Re: Maria in Linz

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Lots to work on in the off season. I do wonder if the way she played in the 2nd and 3rd had anything to do with her knee.
I'm thinking the same thing. This is Maria and she could have just blew the match off mentally, but with all her knee issues lately I'm much more inclined to look that way for now.

Still horrible note to end the year on.
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Old Oct 22nd, 2008, 10:18 PM   #77
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Re: Maria in Linz

I certainly hope she isn't injured. But this year we've seen many results like tonight - Maria wins the first set, but goes on to lose in three...

Just browsing through her 2008 results and three-set losses, I quickly counted 9 losses where Maria won the first set, and only 3 losses where she won the second set. Also, when she won a three-set match, she seemed to win the first set more often than losing it.

Which means she often starts out well and does progressively worse.

There could be many explanations for this pattern, like Maria gets tired, she loses her concentration, her opponents are slow starters, or, it could just be a statistical fluke.

But sometimes I get the feeling that maybe Maria's game is a little bit too predictable? With every point, her opponents tune in on her game and can better predict her shots. In short, perhaps she makes her opponents play better and better? I for one don't like the brainless ball-bashing of many players, but there is one good thing to say about burying the ball deep in the net every other point: at least you don't let your opponents improve their game.

Not having seen many of her matches, I can't really say, this is just pure speculation on my part. But maybe some of you that have seen her more and understand a bit more of this than I do, could elaborate a bit on this: what do you think is the main cause of Maria's declining tendency in so many matches? If you even bothered to read this far, that is.

If there is something to it, since Maria does not have the do-or-die ball-bashing winner shots at her disposal, she must at least use variation more, so her oppononets don't figure out her game so quickly. Maybe Maria should hire a professional poker player as a second coach?

Anyway, I am not really satisfied if this is just dismissed as Maria's "mental weakness". Seems a bit too simple for me. To be honest, it tells me nothing, really.

Just wondering
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Old Oct 22nd, 2008, 10:44 PM   #78
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Re: Maria in Linz

Comeback stronger in 2009 Maria

Sad loss, but good luck in doubles
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Old Oct 23rd, 2008, 06:30 PM   #79
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Re: Maria in Linz

Awww I jinxed her
She'll come back stronger !
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Old Oct 23rd, 2008, 08:28 PM   #80
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Re: Maria in Linz

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I certainly hope she isn't injured. But this year we've seen many results like tonight - Maria wins the first set, but goes on to lose in three...

Just browsing through her 2008 results and three-set losses, I quickly counted 9 losses where Maria won the first set, and only 3 losses where she won the second set. Also, when she won a three-set match, she seemed to win the first set more often than losing it.

Which means she often starts out well and does progressively worse.

There could be many explanations for this pattern, like Maria gets tired, she loses her concentration, her opponents are slow starters, or, it could just be a statistical fluke.

But sometimes I get the feeling that maybe Maria's game is a little bit too predictable? With every point, her opponents tune in on her game and can better predict her shots. In short, perhaps she makes her opponents play better and better? I for one don't like the brainless ball-bashing of many players, but there is one good thing to say about burying the ball deep in the net every other point: at least you don't let your opponents improve their game.

Not having seen many of her matches, I can't really say, this is just pure speculation on my part. But maybe some of you that have seen her more and understand a bit more of this than I do, could elaborate a bit on this: what do you think is the main cause of Maria's declining tendency in so many matches? If you even bothered to read this far, that is.

If there is something to it, since Maria does not have the do-or-die ball-bashing winner shots at her disposal, she must at least use variation more, so her oppononets don't figure out her game so quickly. Maybe Maria should hire a professional poker player as a second coach?

Anyway, I am not really satisfied if this is just dismissed as Maria's "mental weakness". Seems a bit too simple for me. To be honest, it tells me nothing, really.

Just wondering
Well, more so has to do with concentration. She starts making more errors and plays less smart. She's been using her variety a lot more this year, playing a different type of ball each time. Her forehand has improved this indoor season from her hardcourt as she's not just spinning it in.

Maria is just inconsistent. And sadly, it can be dismissed as mental or she's not physically well. She has been unlucky with a few minor injuries this year.

Cornet also does not have a big weapon and same with most of the players Maria has lost to in 3 sets.
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Re: Maria in Linz

(1) Black/Huber d. Kirilenko/Pennetta W/O (Kirilenko: left knee injury)
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Re: Maria in Linz

So it was the knee.

Well seasons over, time to go rest that knee and come back strong next year.
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Old Oct 24th, 2008, 03:31 PM   #83
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Maria, the knee Get well soon!
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Old Oct 24th, 2008, 03:47 PM   #84
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Re: Maria in Linz

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Well, more so has to do with concentration. She starts making more errors and plays less smart. She's been using her variety a lot more this year, playing a different type of ball each time. Her forehand has improved this indoor season from her hardcourt as she's not just spinning it in.

Maria is just inconsistent. And sadly, it can be dismissed as mental or she's not physically well. She has been unlucky with a few minor injuries this year.

Cornet also does not have a big weapon and same with most of the players Maria has lost to in 3 sets.
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Maria certainly has the talent to use variety well.

My hopes are a little up now. If she indeed can improve physically (and avoid injuries), it could also help her mentally. It could be much easier for her to remain focused and stay on top of things throughout her matches.

A physically better and competitive Grrkiri could do very well next year!
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Re: Maria in Linz

I can't imagine the injury is really serious.
Looked like it happend in Zurich against Hantuchova. She had tape on it for 2 days, but it was off already in the doubles match.

Still this scoreline is too weird. Got BP's in every game untill 6-1 40-0. And not a BP faced. After no BP created and winning only 3 games. If you're really injured you just retire in the match.

Skipp the challenger for the rest of the season and go for an even better AO.
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Re: Maria in Linz

Maria needs to solve that knee problem during the off-season, hopefully it won't require any surgery

Rest well and then work hard...the best of Maria is still yet to come
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Re: Maria in Linz

If Maria has a sore left knee why is did she play singles and doubles for so many weeks in a row this fall? That was an insane schedule to play. Espeically for a tennis player with knee problems.
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Re: Maria in Linz

Maria has had the knee trouble almost all throughout her career I think. I remember it being her reason for withdrawals of matches/tournaments since two years back if I'm not wrong.
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Re: Maria in Linz

This year she played every tournament she entered and never retired during the match.
So far now it looks like it's not all that serious. But it's hard to say for a longer period cause she's also still young now.
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Re: Maria in Linz

Boys!I this year even leave Budapest frpm Linz,that anew see her live.
Maria still very pretty,her play(I think)better and better be improve,only she no be born under a lucky star.
Now in Lint too,I think each of the match very good play Maria,but nevertheless with bitter aftertaste leave.
In first match Maria was clever,skilful,tactician.She was many a time,to mistake compel for rival.In second set was,one little leaving out,(ball oversight,demand with umpire)but hereafter Maria again good play,and good fight and win!
In doubles match also rather Maria was good play because Pennetta very be out of sorts,no was comparable her from Zürich play. At the important points luckily Maria often help for her.At matchpoint,yet Maria stand as a impenetrable bastion by net,was hard,like Rolling Stones...
The Cornet against match also very well to beginn.Not in vain was warm up Van Harpen severely.
Makiri was beginning in match very concentrated.Maria make the most of rival weak the first service's.For Kirilenko was very go well the play,"twinkle",particularly the volley was wonderful!
Beginning the second set was,for Maria 3 breakball,but unfortunately,punctually at which time begin the rival well serve.
I think at which time the match has turned.Instead of 2-0,1-3 was...
Hereafter,for Maria was more and more mistake,hold she himself serve's,fall back her self-confidence.At the end of the set be discovered,that Maria injured.
In pause at care ask was on the leg.
But,unfortunately hereafter not succsere in doing the first set at good form,or break the rival confidence.
Maria were continually,hopeless and desperate.
At matchpoint burst into the match total tension,and disappointment!
She was so much that throw racket somewhere to the ground,that head of racket warp!!!
Then the aften she was take out to bench,again fling racket on the ground,then already the umpire also warn her.Finally the racket in dustbin finish!!!
Poor Maria!Such bad was see,that the great promise's that come to nothing.
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