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Danish Delight - Caroline Wozniacki thread - vol 6

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People said it at the time, but you have to question just what was the point of taking a wildcard in Brussels. She needs to work on her game, not just keep playing an event week after week, losing in R1, she isn't gaining anything from that. Right now she seems to sink to a new low every week. She beat Zheng to the loss of 1 game 3 months ago, today she is losing to Zheng winning 6 games, it's dire stuff.
 
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People said it at the time, but you have to question just what was the point of taking a wildcard in Brussels. She needs to work on her game, not just keep playing an event week after week, losing in R1, she isn't gaining anything from that. Right now she seems to sink to a new low every week. She beat Zheng to the loss of 1 game 3 months ago, today she is losing to Zheng winning 6 games, it's dire stuff.
Well, I think that the hope was that she would win some matches and build some momentum heading in to a slam. Obviously that did not happen but I'm not convinced that her time would have been better spent working on her game. How much work could she realistically do in a week?
 
#2,934 ·
5 losses in a row. The last 6 tournaments, she won a total of 2 matches.
I understand she has terrible coaching, but that doesnt mean its okay to give up. Its all on Caroline to pull herself together
 
#2,936 ·
You should get a wildcard to Brussels they said....
You can get "few more wins" they said...
:help:
 
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#2,938 ·
Why does a Caro hater keep posting in this forum particularly in this thread? Please take your posts to general messages.

Just to clarify, this isn't about this specific message.
 
#2,937 ·
I don't know wat too say at this point, I notice she was arguing with her dad when he came down for coaching that unlike her, But if her result keep heading this way through out the year, I hoping she will make change in her team as well as looking for a coach. As far as Rg I hoping she can at least defend her points
 
#2,941 ·
SHe gotta make a change on her team and coaching wise, I know she don't want too get a new coach and think her father the best she can get but be these result are getting outta hand and getting worse
 
#2,957 ·
Me neither. But I didn't see the point of playing Brussels or Rome either. After Madrid when it became clear that she wouldn't do anything whatsoever on clay this year she just should have taken a gamble and forget about the rest of the claycourt tournaments. Start practicing on grass as if your life depends on it (and in a way her tennis life DOES depend on it) while everyone else is dirtballing. If she would have prepared on grass for six or seven weeks while everyone else has only two weeks it would give her a big advantage. Not that she would be a contender for Wimbledon by any stretch of the imagination, but she could with the right draw possibly make the last 16. That's nothing extraordinary perhaps, but it's decent. It's definitely better than losing match after match to opponents who can't remember the last time they won a match.
 
#2,950 ·
It will be interesting what she does next.

Rory is playing golf tomorrow just outside London. Tempting.
But there's less than a week to the start of a slam.

I was joking about her flying to London. At least I do not hope she does, coz if she does, it is a capital letters, high as sky scrapers signal, her tennis career is now just an after thought.
 
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Count me on those who said Brussels was a bad idea. She's playing awful and she hates clay, it didn't make sense at all. If she's winning and confident, of course go for it, an easy draw to take the title. However, the case is quite the contrary, she hasn't won a match on red clay, just forget about it. Now time for another loss, just hope she doesn't cling on to three sets.
 
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Count me on those who said Brussels was a bad idea. She's playing awful and she hates clay, it didn't make sense at all. If she's winning and confident, of course go for it, an easy draw to take the title. However, the case is quite the contrary, she hasn't won a match on red clay just forget it about. Now time for another loss, just hope she doesn't cling on to three sets.
This is the thing, why overload your clay schedule with as many tournaments as possible while your losing every week. There is no point to this, things won't get much better this way, she could have sneaked a couple of wins somewhere but while she is playing like this it doesn't really mean a lot. If there was any extra tournaments to be playing it should be in Stanford and/or Carlsbad (she isn't currently down for either) after a month or so to work on her game in the build up.

I have this lingering thought in the back of my mind that she is simply willing to play anywhere if the price is right and tournaments like Brussels were desperate for any top 10 player they could get their hands on.
 
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Well,there WAS a measure of poetic justice today in Brussels;of the 5 players who had to double up with a disadvantage in rest vs. their opponents,4 of them won and the fifth,Flipkens,had her 2nd-Round match postponed 'til tomorrow morning.It appears that she and Hampton will play their match at the same time as Vinci and Putintseva,so the winners will have had an equal opportunity to accumulate rest by the time that they meet in the QFs in the afternoon........

........I had to focus on something positive since I couldn't find ANYthing uplifting about Caro's result today:help:......WAIT!!!I just found something: Caroline wasn't struck by lightning and gravely injured while on court during her stellar performance......I knew there was SOMEthing good:D:D:D
 
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........I had to focus on something positive since I couldn't find ANYthing uplifting about Caro's result today:help:......WAIT!!!I just found something: Caroline wasn't struck by lightning and gravely injured while on court during her stellar performance......I knew there was SOMEthing good:D:D:D
The most uplifting thing about that match for me came when Caro smashed her racquet to the ground in disgust because it showed that she cared. If I had been Piotr I would have advised her to try a little gamesmanship. Like, "go over to Zheng and tell her that Mao was a cocksucker" or something. Desperate times call for desperate measures. :lol:
 
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That interview cannot be serious, she gives off the impression that nothing is wrong. Am I alone when I say when says "(I am looking forward to) playing the French Open again, it's always exciting to be playing a grand slam, that should be good fun", that her body language seems to suggest the total opposite, I don't get any enthusiasm whatsoever from her tone.

As she says herself in that interview, her actions right now give off the impression of someone hoping it happens for her, rather than trying to make it happen. There doesn't seem to be any "learning from it".
 
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That interview cannot be serious, she gives off the impression that nothing is wrong. Am I alone when I say when says "(I am looking forward to) playing the French Open again, it's always exciting to be playing a grand slam, that should be good fun", that her body language seems to suggest the total opposite, I don't get any enthusiasm whatsoever from her tone.
IMO,Caro did a reasonably good job of acting by putting on a nice smile but,yeah,I got the exact same impression.Personally,I'd like to see one of two choices by calendar year's end--Retirement or New coach,preferably the latter
 
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Its too bad. 2 years ago, when she was #1 by 3000 points, the coaches around her could have cleaned up the simple stuff - putting away a short overhead, a simple volley, slightly improve her serve. Instead of taking her game apart.
But its really Caroline. You cant let people around you destroy your game. You fight for your career.
She still cant do the simpliest things near the net, and now her forehand is an inconsistent mess along with every previous problem
No quick solution to this. Probably no solution at all
 
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What do folks think about Caro skipping Eastbourne (she's currently listed on her website as playing there)? I think it'd a good idea as Eastbourne seems to me to be more about practicing playing in heavy winds than getting used to grass. It'd give her close to 4 weeks (there's a pretty good chance Caro loses in the 1st or 2nd round of the French Open) to train or at least have a mental break/rest from tennis.
 
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Yeah, after she loses in Paris, she should train on hardcourt.
She's going to play Wimbledon as a noncontender anyway, so start getting ready for hardcourt, where you dont have some built-in excuse about the footing.

Not having enough time is also a phony excuse. She just spent the whole week at The Masters. Wednesday caddie and watched all 4 rounds. There was plenty of time to satisfy sponsors without missing any scheduled training.

There really are no excuses, just like there are no results. Besides one and done. Every tournament
This is a self destruction of a once promising career. She should look in the mirror to see who is beating her
 
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here's translation ( thanks to TennisSupporter again) of this convo-starting at 1:05:53, between Caro and Piotr:
Caroline : Dad, when I look at you I feel stressed.....
Piotr : Ok, just listen to me. You are playing your forehand in the middle of the court, you have to play longer, go for it!
Piotr : Use your mind also, not only a strenght, focus on what we have been practicing.
Caroline : I just can't move on this clay very well..
Piotr : Ok, Caro, don't feel stressed, focus on your game, love you(!!), c'mon!
 
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here's translation ( thanks to TennisSupporter again) of this convo-starting at 1:05:53, between Caro and Piotr:
Caroline : Dad, when I look at you I feel stressed.....
Piotr : Ok, just listen to me. You are playing your forehand in the middle of the court, you have to play longer, go for it!
Piotr : Use your mind also, not only a strenght, focus on what we have been practicing.
Caroline : I just can't move on this clay very well..
Piotr : Ok, Caro, don't feel stressed, focus on your game, love you(!!), c'mon!
We only have snippets, but she sounds like a petulant child. Whining and whinging and sulking. If I didn't know any better, I'd think she'd just signed a new sponsorship deal with Red Bull.

Poor Piotr. He must be in a terrible position. Obviously she is very unhappy on court, but as a father, he'll obviously not just abandon her. How on earth has it all gone so wrong. *sighs*
 
#3,007 ·
Its something you dont say, even if you believe it. Sharapova just went to 4 straight finals and was still doing all her promotions. Serena does all her off court promotions.
Caroline has plenty of time. And complaining about footing is nonsense too. If its slippery, its true for your opponent also. You have to deal with wind, rain, playing 2 matches close together. That could be Rogers Cup. US Open is super windy with lots of rain delays.
Thats tennis. You have to play the point, not look for excuses (always easy to find them)
 
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Once you start making excuses about clay footing, you might as well not play on clay. Clay or grass can be very slippery.
Maybe she should only train on hardcourt. Just make her schedule around hardcourt and play Madrid and FO, Wimbledon. The rest of the year only hard court
 
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That scheduling actually sounds like a good idea to me.
 
#3,014 ·
She had lost 4 matches in a row, 6 of 8, GOING IN to this match, at a tournament she won the last time she played it. She beat Fran here, and 2 weeks later Fran was in the FO Final.
So her game is in disarray. She should got to indoor hard courts and work on her game. She is a total mess & total noncontender right now, so practicing on clay or grass makes no sense.
Go indoors, hard court. No wind, no sun, no rain, find courts she likes the footing, and work on her game. Thats all she should be doing until hard court season. Show up for your match at Wimbledon, then after you lose, back to indoor hard court training
 
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Several of you have posted clear,strong disappointment with Caroline's excuse-making,and a couple of you have compared her to a spoiled child.With Enabler Allaster and her cronies running the show in the WTA,what else would you expect??:shrug: Even the most driven champions occasionally toss out some of the most asinine excuses imaginable in their pressers(though THOSE gals never give in to a loser,defeatist mindset;the alibis are usually quick knee-jerk responses after losses),and it takes a high degree of professionalism to NOT mentally fall into the No-Accountability Trap that is today's WTA subculture.

I'm trying to picture an NFL quarterback matching Caroline's recent level on the field...and then offering lame excuses afterwards.He would be burned in effigy by the team's fans;the team would have no choice but to make a change:shrug:.I realize that tennis isn't exactly a team sport,per se,yet there are still some relevant,enjoined principles.How can Caroline and other poor performers expect fans' support or respect any more than a jerk-off QB who threw five interceptions DIRECTLY into defenders' hands and then claimed it was HOF-caliber defense??The NFL would never encourage such an assclown by promoting him,no matter HOW photogenic he was.It would be an insult to hard-working,ticket-paying fans...and how can the WTA even HOPE for players to act professionally while they run a diaper-changing service for rich,spoiled bratty girls?I've almost given up on EVER seeing any integrity from Allaster and the WTA,but they could have at least acknowledged that Caro's loss was an upset ON PAPER ONLY--that she had been struggling recently.The WTA webpage makes them look like a clown college with ZERO credibility
 
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Several of you have posted clear,strong disappointment with Caroline's excuse-making,and a couple of you have compared her to a spoiled child.
Well, let's face it - compared to the rest of us who are struggling to make ends meet all tennis stars are spoiled children. In other sports it's even worse. I bet that the 10.000th best soccer player in the world makes a lot more money than the 40th best tennis player, and he doesn't even have to be especially good. But as far as Caro is concerned I don't mind. That girl doesn't have a mean bone in her body and if I was in a position to do so I would no doubt spoil her myself. :lol:

Having said that, I believe her when she says that there is less time for training since she became a name player. But for that, or for much of it anyway, she only has herself to blame. Don't bite of more than you can chew. As others have said, build your off-court activities around your tennis career and not the other way around. But of course, if you have lots of obligations away from tennis and also want to spend lots of time with your boyfriend it's only natural that your training, and as a result your tennis as well suffers.
 
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Another thing I'd like to add is that sponsors like Adidas have apparently resigned themselves to the slack attitude of WTA players.Maybe they're mindset is that the player can easily gain fame by posing for Playboy,no matter how pitiful her on-court results are,and the sponsors don't wanna miss out on all of the potential attention that the beauty might bring.These sponsors are about as threatening to players like Caro as a toothless,de-clawed,castrated,heavily-sedated tiger would be.I guess that,unless the player does something really,REALLY shameful that could embarrass the company(like starting a child-porn mag),Adidas isn't gonna do jack until a contract expires
 
#3,019 ·
Being a defensive player doesnt mean she floats in softballs and hopes for an error. She has to vary pace & placement. But it has to be consistent, in play with depth. If she cant do that anymore, she's in trouble. And it certainly looks like she's in trouble.
 
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