Dead thread, please close.
Cali...:lol: I mean, let it go. The thread has run it's course..how long you gonna go with this?! Graf is in the GOAT conversation, heck most probably think she's the goat. Let it go already. :lol:
Marc, here "greatness" is not in question, her "slam count" is tainted, not her "greatness"..I just don't see how can anyone dispute Graf's greatness with or without loving her as a player
some things are just obvious,proven and nobody can dispute that.
Aditya,nobody is forcing anyone to accept anything if one doesn't want to,that's your choice,but also nobody can deny something that is proven.Graf fans are the most hypocritical bunch of all the tennis fans.
First they try to downplay the stabbing incident ( more like attempted murder) by stating that, we have to accept the fact that Steffi ended up with 22 majors and that is futile and pointless to speculate , "what might have been."
They then do the classical 180, and state that Margaret Court's 24 majors should not be given it's due because of "depleted fields".
Basically they want to have one's cake and eat it too, by FORCING PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THE LEGITIMACY OF HER SLAMS AND AT THE SAME TIME DICREDITING HER CONTENDER'S ACHIEVEMENTS.
Once again, you're over simplifying it (there was so much going on-true and not true, before and after), and mindlessly repeating the miscellaneous rambling of a crazy man. And of course, you ignore, if you even care to know, everything Monica (the aggrieved party) said/says. Just stop. :lol:You know, you all can sit around here and tell each other the BS. The fact of the matter is the MOTIVE of the STABBER was to advance Graf. You all saying you all know more than the person that stabbed Seles. You are saying the stabber is lying. If you are not, and you are agreeing that it did advance Graf, you cannot say or measure to what degree. Therefore, and no fault of her own, everything after that is looked at with a judicous eye. As sinster as the stabbing was, I wouldn't put it past Graf's father to concoct something like this. Oh, yeah..
Then we have the part of the stabber dam near being let scott free!! In a GERMAN COURT!!
Please, no response, I can't stand it anymore.. I am ready to go out and find a roof and screeeeeeeemmmmm!!
Yup, the Nazi were famous for saying they are perfect!! If Hitler could have had a Gunther back in 1936, he would have surely stabbed Jesse Owens.. Ditto for Joe Loius when he fought Max Schelling. All from the Master Race of Germany..
It's not only with Graf.Back on topic: Why is Graf overlooked so much on these forums and by the media?
Yeah, think this is it. Graf was always very sour.i shit in the career of steffi graf. like her husband, she was forced into tennis by her father, and hated the sport. she has said several times that she wouldn't want her children playing the sport that afforded her the life of luxury and lead to the meeting of her "husband".
Steffi never gave a damn about the WTA. she was a taker. that's why no one cared when she left.
Sorry I have to disagree (again in this thread ). Serena still has to catch up with Martina and Chrissie before I (personally) begin to even consider her as GOAT - and even then, I'm not sure that's enough.Graf was the rightful GOAT until this year but now she has been demoted to 2nd place behind Queen Serena.
:haha:Prime to prime Serena overpowers Graf. Much superior serve and service return, much stronger backhand, when it is on just as good a forehand, better volleys, arguably even better movement when fit, and more mental strenght. No contest in their primes.
Typical game of a defensive player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6eTjdnL4-o (Match starts at 6:15)Sanchez- defensive player, no power.
Agree with you on that,as those numbers are just insane.Serena,as fantastic player as she is,will find it very hard indeed to surpass all those records to trump Graf.
Theoretically it's possible,as she would have to play for 4-5 years of flawless tennis,but it seems very unlikely.
As someone said,she first has to pass that very high bar set by Evert and Navratilova,but even if she reaches 18 GS titles,their other records are just sublimely huge compared to hers so far.
It's the OP.I am not aware of Graf being overlooked by anyone.
Chrissie doesn't even believe this logic, and has said so publically herself. :lol:Had Navratilova been stabbed in 1979 Chris Evert would probably have won close to 30 slams and she would be GOAT (She won 18 but lost 10 F and 4 SF to Martina and let's face it she wasn't really likely to lose to anyone else in the 1979-1985 period). Like it or not, other than grass, Steffi wasn't dominating and Monica was the clear number 1 at the time of the stabbing and that's why people question Graf's standing as the GOAT. Of course nobody knows what would have happened in either case but it will always be a cloud.
Oh,NOOOOO,how dare you say such a thing? :lol:Never was a player more praised than Steffi Graf.
Where did I say I don't like gay people? :shrug:Anabelcroft is homopobic, that's why it's pathetic.
As alwaysI can't see what Twatabelcroft has written as it's on my ignore list, but I'm sure it was a delightful comment.
this thread : 541 postsWhy is this thread still going on?
Please, please, please lock the thread.Enough insults.
I've deleted one apiece. Next step is closing the thread and infracting guilty parties.