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HippityHop Nov 15th, 2012 09:22 PM

How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
Have they calmed down? Some of the news reports here in the USA make it look like Europe is on the verge of social collapse. :eek:

Williamsser Nov 15th, 2012 09:47 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
They want more bailouts from US taxpayers.

Sammo Nov 15th, 2012 09:50 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
Spain is a fucking mess, just take a look at this:



Riot police beating a 13 year-old boy, and then they beat a girl who confronts them for beating the boy

Olórin Nov 15th, 2012 09:56 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
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Originally Posted by Williamsser (Post 22482129)
They want more bailouts from US taxpayers.

Hmm, if you want to play that game: it sounds about right since it was your moronically under-regulated, nigh fraudulent sub-prime mortgage market which contaminated the European markets and cost millions of European people their jobs.

HippityHop Nov 15th, 2012 10:42 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
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Originally Posted by Olórin (Post 22482152)
Hmm, if you want to play that game: it sounds about right since it was your moronically under-regulated, nigh fraudulent sub-prime mortgage market which contaminated the European markets and cost millions of European people their jobs.

Are you sure about that? Germany seems to be doing pretty well, I hear. Why is that?

C. Drone Nov 15th, 2012 10:47 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
Spoiled western-europeans.
Not like police forces have any clue what are they doing.

Gawain Nov 15th, 2012 11:23 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
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Originally Posted by HippityHop (Post 22482239)
Germany seems to be doing pretty well, I hear. Why is that?

Hartz IV

Expat Nov 16th, 2012 03:19 AM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
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Originally Posted by Olórin (Post 22482152)
Hmm, if you want to play that game: it sounds about right since it was your moronically under-regulated, nigh fraudulent sub-prime mortgage market which contaminated the European markets and cost millions of European people their jobs.

AFAIK the vast majority of European bank loans went to Greece, Spain or Latin America and not in the USA. And one more thing European banks are even more loaded with debt even pre-crisis and in the red than American banks.


BTW HippityHop strikes are regular in Europe. So no big difference from whatever is going on till now.

Williamsser Nov 16th, 2012 12:07 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
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Originally Posted by Olórin (Post 22482152)
Hmm, if you want to play that game: it sounds about right since it was your moronically under-regulated, nigh fraudulent sub-prime mortgage market which contaminated the European markets and cost millions of European people their jobs.

Socialism caused the EU mess, not capitalism.

European Socialism: Why America Doesn't Want It

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin...oesnt-want-it/

Denmark has the highest total tax pressure in the world and is towering far above the European average. It also has the smallest private sector in Europe, one that supports one of the biggest public sectors. Add to that a generous entitlement system allowing unemployed and unemployable citizens an income well above that achieved by full time employees in the private sector in many European countries, and you will observe a need for tax revenues nearly unmatched anywhere else in the world.

This is not surprising, since more than half of the adult population is either working in the public sector or living on some form of social transfer payment. Out of a total population of 5.6 million, a little more than 2 million are pensioners, unemployed, sick or on social transfer payments for other reasons. Around 800,000 are employed in the public sector. There are only around 1.8 million that are not directly dependent on state payments in some shape or form. But even among this group, there is high focus on cheap, subsidized childcare, free health care, child bonus payments, subsidized housing and an infinite number of other ways to secure some additional income from the state.

The recent rise of socialists that continue to hand out huge public expenditures combined with the broadly supported tax reform is going nowhere in terms of really moving the dial between public and private sectors. Even more, it highlights the fundamental challenges of a social welfare society, and the extreme vulnerability of business and capitalism operating within it.

So if there is no hope for reforms of the welfare society, the next question must be whether capitalism can exist or co-exist in the long-term in a social welfare state. Essentially, the answer has to be no. A social welfare society that wants to embrace and benefit from some form of real capitalism in the long run will need to: set very stringent parameters for the amount of welfare available to its citizens as a percentage of GDP; set a maximum limit for taxation and government debt levels; secure strong fundamental incentives written into a constitution; and, secure basic negative rights for its individual citizens.

In addition, it will need to embrace a different rhetoric and give up on equality of outcome as a key objective. It needs to welcome, encourage and praise large contributors to the economy rather than vilify them and berate them for populist purposes. It needs to demand responsibility from the citizens for their own economic situation and be very firm on abuse or exploitation of public support or services. It needs to stop victimizing large groups of the society and stop pricing them out of employment through minimum wages and similar initiatives. It needs to stop its politicians corrupting the democratic process through bribing particular voter groups to gain power.

Growing up in Denmark, I’ve seen this picture before. If America doesn’t want socialism its people must wake up and heed the lessons being played out in counties around the world – like Denmark.. If America doesn’t want socialism it must seek politicians and policies that allow the individual to have more liberty and freedom. If America doesn’t want socialism it must act now. But America must first answer the questions…. Does America Want Socialism?

thalle Nov 16th, 2012 12:46 PM

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You do know that socialism is not the ideology or political direction of Denmark right?

And in time of crisis, I'd much rather live in a country with a welfare state, where I know, no matter how much all the big states around the world fuck up, I'll ALWAYS have a roof over my head, food and an education.

Elwin. Nov 16th, 2012 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by thalle (Post 22483618)
You do know that socialism is not the ideology or political direction of Denmark right?

And in time of crisis, I'd much rather live in a country with a welfare state, where I know, no matter how much all the big states around the world fuck up, I'll ALWAYS have a roof over my head, food and an education.

This :lol:

HippityHop Nov 16th, 2012 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gawain (Post 22482356)
Hartz IV


I had to look this up.

I guess that if you make the hard decisions before things get too bad, it makes for less pain later on.

HippityHop Nov 16th, 2012 01:05 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
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Originally Posted by thalle (Post 22483618)
You do know that socialism is not the ideology or political direction of Denmark right?

And in time of crisis, I'd much rather live in a country with a welfare state, where I know, no matter how much all the big states around the world fuck up, I'll ALWAYS have a roof over my head, food and an education.

Is this a joke? :confused:

deadparrot Nov 16th, 2012 01:08 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
LOL, the author of that piece is a Libertarian nutjob who moved to the tax haven of Switzerland in 2010, went on a tour of Conservative television shows in the US to slander his native country and had his company (Saxo Bank) print 10,000 copies of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged so he could hand them out to politicians and business partners. His bank is also the sponsor of a cycling team led by the self-admitted doping offender Bjarne Riis and has been under investigation for stock manipulation. Not exactly a neutral observer :lol:

Dave. Nov 16th, 2012 02:45 PM

Re: How are the European protests/strikes going?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thalle (Post 22483618)
You do know that socialism is not the ideology or political direction of Denmark right?

And in time of crisis, I'd much rather live in a country with a welfare state, where I know, no matter how much all the big states around the world fuck up, I'll ALWAYS have a roof over my head, food and an education.

Europe, Africa, they're countries didn't you know? :o


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Originally Posted by deadparrot (Post 22483682)
LOL, the author of that piece is a Libertarian nutjob who moved to the tax haven of Switzerland in 2010, went on a tour of Conservative television shows in the US to slander his native country and had his company (Saxo Bank) print 10,000 copies of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged so he could hand them out to politicians and business partners. His bank is also the sponsor of a cycling team led by the self-admitted doping offender Bjarne Riis and has been under investigation for stock manipulation. Not exactly a neutral observer :lol:

Makes sense. :lol: The article starts from a position where free healthcare, minimum wage, subsidised housing etc. are inherently bad things and somehow obstruct "liberty and freedom". Of course, it depends whose liberty and freedom we're concerned with here, that of the majority of Americans or that of a tiny wealthy elite.


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