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Ferg Sep 22nd, 2012 06:02 PM

Libyan Civilians Force Jihad Extremists Out of Benghazi
 
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At least four people have been killed after military police and protesters took over several militia bases in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

Hundreds of protesters angry over last week's killing of the US ambassador stormed the compounds of the Islamic extremist militias suspected of carrying out the attack. A crowd overwhelmed the Ansar al Shariah Brigade's site in the centre of the city. Buildings and a car were set alight and the fighters were evicted.

The protesters chanted "Libya, Libya", "No more al Qaeda!" and "The blood we shed for freedom shall not go in vain!" as they carried weapons out of the base. One of the demonstrators Hassan Ahmed said: "After what happened at the American consulate, the people of Benghazi had enough of the extremists.

"They did not give allegiance to the army. So the people broke in and they fled." However, in a later standoff outside the headquarters of the Sahaty Brigade, at least four people were killed and at least 34 injured, hospital sources said.

The violence followed a day of protests by more than 30,000 citizens who marched in Benghazi against armed militias.
"No, no, to militias," the crowd chanted. One sign read: "Benghazi is in a trap. Where is the army, where is the police?" Other signs mourned the killing of the ambassador, reading: "The ambassador was Libya's friend" and "Libya lost a friend."

Libya has struggled to control the heavily-armed militias which sprang up to overthrow Colonel Gaddafi's regime. A new wave of hostility towards them was sparked when US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans died in the September 11 attack on the Benghazi embassy.

Many Libyans have expressed outrage at the attack on the US consulate, which followed a protest triggered by an anti-Islam film made in America. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Friday that the killings were a "terrorist attack", and White House spokesman Jay Carney said those responsible may have links to al Qaeda.

While Libya's militia groups claim they are protectors of the nation’s revolution, some say they act like gangs, detaining and intimidating rivals and carrying out killings. "I don't want to see armed men wearing Afghani-style clothes stopping me in the street to give me orders, I only want to see people in uniform," said Omar Mohammed, a university student who took part in the protests.

Activists and residents have also held a sit-in for the past eight days outside the Sahaba Mosque in the city of Darna. "The killing of the ambassador blew up the situation. It was disastrous," said Ayoub al Shedwi, a young Muslim preacher in Darna. "We felt that the revolution is going in vain."
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Unarmed people power drums Libya's jihadists out of Benghazi

These were the incredible scenes in Benghazi as tens of thousands of ordinary citizens marched on the Islamic extremists in their compounds and drove them out with shouts, placards and sheer courage
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As fires blazed and protestors danced in the ruined compound of a vanquished jihadist militia, I watched as the citizens of the Libyan city of Benghazi staged a dramatic display of raw people power.Numbed by the murder of an American ambassador in their city, furious with jihadist militias lording it over them and frustrated by a government too chaotic and intimidated to react, ordinary Benghazians took matters into their own hands.

Elsewhere in the world jihadists staged fiery attacks on foreign targets. In Libya they were sent running by people power. A rally called to Rescue Benghazi on Friday night became the launch pad for a spontaneous retaking of the streets, and more – a retaking of the soul that saw this city become the cradle of last year's Arab Spring revolution.

Ansar Al Sharia militia, blamed by many for the killing of ambassador Chris Stevens and three of his diplomats had last week, deployed anti-aircraft guns around their Benghazi compound, fearing attack from drones and US warships. But the attack, when it came, was from a very different direction. Civilian. Unarmed. And with nothing more than the desperation of a population staring anarchy in the face.

For the people of Benghazi, the killing of Stevens was the final outrage in a campaign of extremist violence that have seen other consulates firebombed, the convoy of Britain's ambassador rocketed, commonwealth war graves vandalised and 14 officials assassinated. As foreign missions fled and businessmen cleared out, Benghazi has found itself cast as Libya's Dodge City. And in the absence of a sheriff to impose order, they staged their own spontaneous cleansing.

The rally on Friday was peaceful: crowds of men, women and children marched on central Benghazi, with balloons, flags and placards, many calling for justice for the killers of Stevens. "We are Islam, we are not extremists!" they chanted.

Ever since the 11 September attack on the US compound that left Stevens and three fellow diplomats dead, Benghazians have been incredulous at the inability of government to act. No serious investigation has been launched for his killers, the government cowed by the power of jihadist militias.

But support for the protest was everywhere. The defence minister refused to give his support, but air force pilots made their feelings known: an attack helicopter circled Friday's protest to protect it and a pilot made low thundering passes over the crowd to remind them of the revolutionary slogan: 'The army is with the people.'

When night fell, the dam broke. The women and children of the rally were escorted home and the crowd surged towards militia bases. First to go was the Abu Salem Shahouda militia base, behind the seafront Tibesti hotel, and blamed by locals for thuggery and intimidation. A crowd of hundreds of young men, some teenagers, smashed through the gates and into the compound.

I was propelled in with them, as the frightened militiamen were manhandled out of the gates. Minutes later three jeeps loaded with red capped military police screeched into the compound, weapons ready, unsure what they would find. The protestors embraced them. "It's like in the revolution," said colonel Ben Eisa, taking command of the abandoned Abu Salem Shahouda base. "We are taking orders from the people." It was as easy as that. Months of militia violence ended by a show of unarmed force.

Then came Ansar Al Sharia: a 300-strong force blamed by Libya's head of state Mohammed Magariaf for involvement in Stevens's death. As the demonstrators approached, the militiamen flooded out of their compound and fired volleys of machine gun fire into the air. The crowd, bursting with the frustration of months of humiliation, simply kept coming. The militia, who had vowed to fight American air power, fled before people power.

Compound buildings were torched, cars set ablaze and looting of everything not nailed down began as, belatedly, red-capped military police arrived. "We are in control of this place," said colonel Saleh Yemeni, sporting a red beret and the silver wings of the parachute regiment, as a flaming car burned behind him. "We are with the people."

A well-built man, Ehad El Farsi, stopped me to ask if I was American and to apologise on behalf of Benghazi for the killing of Stevens. Told I was English, he explained he was a politics professor at Benghazi university and wanted to talk to me about the merits of singer Chris Rea. "What you have here is the people taking action," he said. "All the people."

TV pictures may give the impression of mob rule. Being there felt it felt more like a cup final crowd toasting victory. Then the cry went up to march on Hwari, the sprawling base of another militia, Raffala Al Sahati, to which Ansar Al Sharia men were believed to have fled. El Farsi found his car, a BMW, and roared off south.

Protestors crammed into cars, hooting horns and waving Libyan tricolours as an impromptu convoy surged south of the city. But this time the response was different. The first protestors who marched on the gates were met by a hail of machine gun fire, triggering pandemonium. Cars bringing fresh protestors ran into the traffic jam of abandoned vehicles and civilian cars trying to ferry the wounded to hospital. Pickup trucks with anti-aircraft guns manned by military police sat, their crews unsure if they should return fire.

Amid a cacophany of car horns, shouts and the rattle of machine gun fire, red tracer slashed the night sky and protestors dashed for cover. "The were shooting at the people – the crowd were all running away," said Mohammed El Gadari, an aviation student who had gone there to search for his younger cousin.

Abandoning my vehicle and trying to get to the battle by foot through the chaos of traffic and angry protestors, a huge, bearded man in white robe grabbed me, yelling in my ear and violently pushing me backwards. He spoke no English, and I was separated from my translator. When he caught up with us, the man explained he was not attacking me but defending me: "You must go away, it is not safe," he said. "We have to protect our foreigners."

As protestor numbers grew and fire was returned, the base garrison fled, abandoning vehicles, guns and huge quantities of ammunition which the crowd looted. City hospitals were meanwhile forced to deal with carnage not seen since last year's war: surgeons were summoned from their beds, blood donors requested. By dawn the toll stood at 11 dead and 19 injured.

The wounded included Abu Baker Feraz, who had his leg smashed by a panicking militiaman escaping in a jeep. "It was an Ansar Al Sharia guy. I know his face. I have seven brothers – we want to find this man." As he was wheeled away to be operated on at Benghazi Medical Centre, his hand snaked out from the blue shawl that covered him. "I want to say something," he said. "Ansar Al Sharia, they have somebody from Afghanistan, somebody from Tunisia, somebody from Libya. Islam is not in Ansar Al Sharia."

It is a refrain you hear across Benghazi: Libya is a conservative Muslim country, and perhaps for this reason jihadists are distrusted for wanting to tell Libyans how to interpret their faith. Cynics say jihadists were wrongfooted by the revolution, won by the ordinary people and NATO, then by July elections that were won by a pro-business coalition, and are staking all on taking power – and Libya's oil wealth – by force.

The desperate hope here is that the outside world that gave Libya such support in its revolution does not turn away. "How can you have business if you can't guarantee security?" said Hana El Galal, a prominent civil rights activist in the city. "Everybody now is rallying against organised extremism."

For now, the city is calm. Whether it stays that way is anyone's guess: the political vacuum at the heart of Libya's government remains, and the Islamists have powerful political allies.

Some in Benghazi worry that the streets are now protected by the same police and army commanders who made their careers in Muammar Gaddafi's security forces. Ansar Al Sharia is still around, somewhere, but its leaders are perhaps mindful that, as they showed last year against the Gaddafi regime, Libyan people power should not be underestimated.
Incredible :lol: So much respect for the Libyan people.

saint2 Sep 22nd, 2012 06:47 PM

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You should thank Gadaffi.

pov Sep 22nd, 2012 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by saint2 (Post 22229523)
You should thank Gadaffi.

Ironic but true.

Ferg Sep 22nd, 2012 07:49 PM

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Why exactly?

tennisbum79 Sep 23rd, 2012 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by saint2 (Post 22229523)
You should thank Gadaffi.

agree.
ironically, the way he has ruled Libya over the years has shielded the population from the way other Arab countries people have automatically and traditionally reacted to such situations; which is usually to shout "death to America"

miffedmax Sep 23rd, 2012 01:55 AM

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I think it has a lot to do with the Libyan people being grateful to the U.S. and other nations including the Arab League who supported their efforts to overthrow Ghadafi. During and after the revolution many Libyan buildings have displayed flags of free Libya and the nations who provided military and humanitarian support.

tennisbum79 Sep 23rd, 2012 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by miffedmax (Post 22230799)
I think it has a lot to do with the Libyan people being grateful to the U.S. and other nations including the Arab League who supported their efforts to overthrow Ghadafi. During and after the revolution many Libyan buildings have displayed flags of free Libya and the nations who provided military and humanitarian support.

So, what about the Egyptians?

I don't disagree with you because that would be the sensible reaction of a people who have been helped to gain their freedom.
However, it has not been always the case to take a sensible when religion is involved

saint2 Sep 23rd, 2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by miffedmax (Post 22230799)
I think it has a lot to do with the Libyan people being grateful to the U.S. and other nations including the Arab League who supported their efforts to overthrow Ghadafi. During and after the revolution many Libyan buildings have displayed flags of free Libya and the nations who provided military and humanitarian support.

It was all fraud. There wasn't any "revolution", it was massive assault on a free country. Why these countries won't invade Russia ? Comparing to P*tin, Gadaffi was saint.

Ferg Sep 23rd, 2012 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by saint2 (Post 22231684)
It was all fraud. There wasn't any "revolution", it was massive assault on a free country. Why these countries won't invade Russia ? Comparing to P*tin, Gadaffi was saint.

You're taking the piss surely? The revolution was started by the Libyan people. The world intervened when it was clear that Gaddafi was going to commit mass murder in Benghazi by destroying the city. And what massive assault, it was basically airstrikes and supplying the rebels with weaponry, supplies and info. I simply cannot believe that there is someone defending Gaddafi.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226479789315

Some saint.

Ferg Sep 23rd, 2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tennisbum79 (Post 22230547)
agree.
ironically, the way he has ruled Libya over the years has shielded the population from the way other Arab countries people have automatically and traditionally reacted to such situations; which is usually to shout "death to America"

Or, you know, maybe we should give the Libyan people the benefit of the doubt and not automatically presume they'd all turn into extremists without the shadow of a dictator like Gaddafi over them.

Critics of world intervention said that Libya wouldnt be able to stop the spread of extreme Islam, but look, the Libyan people sorted the problem out themselves. Some peoples cynicism sickens me. But I suppose the idea that some Muslim countries arent full of stereotypes and rather decent, moderate people is too much to grasp.

saint2 Sep 23rd, 2012 06:30 PM

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You're taking the piss surely? The revolution was started by the Libyan people. The world intervened when it was clear that Gaddafi was going to commit mass murder in Benghazi by destroying the city. And what massive assault, it was basically airstrikes and supplying the rebels with weaponry, supplies and info. I simply cannot believe that there is someone defending Gaddafi.
There were no any revolution. There were only agents, NATO forces + maybe some radical native element.

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I simply cannot believe that there is someone defending Gaddafi.
I've seen worse things in this forum. Like people defending Putin...

Ferg Sep 23rd, 2012 06:40 PM

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Wait wait wait, we're both talking about the Libyan revolution right?

saint2 Sep 23rd, 2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg (Post 22233366)
Wait wait wait, we're both talking about the Libyan revolution right?

I don't know what you are talking about. Im not talking about any "Lybian revolution", because it wasn't any revolution in Lybia.

ALIEN Sep 23rd, 2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg (Post 22233366)
Wait wait wait, we're both talking about the Libyan revolution right?

You're wasting your time, these "conspiracy theory" people are fucked up in the brain. (Ask him if the landing on the moon was fake or how the "Illuminati" are running the world and you'll know what I mean).

tennisbum79 Sep 23rd, 2012 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferg (Post 22233313)
Or, you know, maybe we should give the Libyan people the benefit of the doubt and not automatically presume they'd all turn into extremists without the shadow of a dictator like Gaddafi over them.

Critics of world intervention said that Libya wouldnt be able to stop the spread of extreme Islam, but look, the Libyan people sorted the problem out themselves. Some peoples cynicism sickens me. But I suppose the idea that some Muslim countries arent full of stereotypes and rather decent, moderate people is too much to grasp.

I am giving Libyan people credit for being grateful to those who help them overthrow Ghadafi.
At the same, it is not cynical to recognize that the vast majority of the Muslim world reacted in a predictible way. Burning US flags,shouting death to America, attacking US Embassy personnel, destroying the embassy building, etc...

This despite President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton best effort to calm things down by expressing regret and clearly stating the US government in no way condone the making of the film nor the contents of it.


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