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Morrissey Sep 8th, 2012 02:53 AM

WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Tennis Legends ĎLividí About USTA Decision

By Tom Perrotta

The Wall Street Journal reported in Fridayís newspaper that Taylor Townsend, a Chicago native and the No. 1 junior girl tennis player in the world, was benched from tournament play this summer by her coaches at the U.S. Tennis Association because of her fitness. Townsend lost in the quarterfinals of the junior singles tournament Friday afternoon but advanced to the doubles final with her partner, Gabby Andrews.



Taylor Townsend was benched from tournament play this summer by the U.S. Tennis Association.
On Friday, the Journal spoke with Lindsay Davenport and Martina Navratilova, two former No. 1 players and Grand Slam champions who struggled with their weight as teenagers and as pros. Davenport and Navratilova were sharply critical of the USTAís decision.

ďYou cannot punish someone for their body type,Ē Davenport said.

ďIím livid about it. Livid,Ē Navratilova said. She added: ďIt speaks of horrible ignorance.Ē

The Wall Street Journal: You struggled with weight as a junior and a pro. What was it like for you growing up?

Lindsay Davenport: My dad is 6-foot-8. He blew out his knee in 1973, and after bad surgery, an infection ravaged his knee. He hasnít been able to bend his knee since then. He was probably 150 pounds overweight my whole life. So all through the 80s, when I was a little girl, my dad was huge. My mom was not. But I had this dad with big genes, and we were never thin.

My first year playing the [12-and-under] nationals in Florida [at age 11], another mom reported me for being too old. And I was standing right there, and my mom was like, ďIíve got news for you, she can play next year, too.Ē And this woman was like, ďOh my gosh!Ē I had these big, chubby, baby cheeks and people thought that because I was tall and big, I was older.

Martina Navratilova: I put on 20 pounds in two weeks when I first came on the tour. I was 16, I played in Fort Lauderdale and then Dallas. By Dallas, I had to buy myself new shorts because I couldnít fit into my shorts. I was playing three hours a day of tennis, or more. It was a change of metabolism and a change of diet. I wasnít eating junk food, either. I was just eating too much. I was eating pancakes and steaks and hamburgers, I discovered corn flakes. It was just a different diet completely. I struggled with my weight for four years after that. I didnít lose it until I was 20. And really, it just came off by itself. I was training hard and it started coming off in 1976.

How did your coaches approach your development, and how much of that had to do with fitness?

Davenport: There was a female who was in charge of the [USTA] womenís program in the 90s, Lynne Rolley. Lynne stood by me, was like a mother figure to me. I think she saw it as not only developing these great players, but developing us as people, and teaching us, when you walk into a room, look into someoneís eyes. It wasnít just about trying to get players on Arthur Ashe. No one ever said to me, youíre fat, youíre heavy. Part of it is trying to figure it out on your own and trying to get the player to realize it. Youíre dealing with a really difficult age for girls, and youíre talking about a life-changing, detrimental step. You cannot punish someone for their body type.

Navratilova: No matter what, the kid is 16. Itís baby fat, itís going to come off. She would have to starve to the point of where she canít play to lose weight, so then she canít compete. And sheís the No. 1 junior. It is absolutely insane what they did, so irresponsible. If anything, play more. Donít go into the gym. Just watch [what you eat], but in a positive and constructive and long-term way. But to throw this on her at 16? Iím trying to be nice here, but they totally blew it on this one.

Were there any fitness requirements you had to meet?

Davenport: When I was growing up, we had these USTA camps and a national team, and we would all go to these camps together. And you had to run a mile and a half in a certain time. I could never sleep the night before, I swear to God. Iím not a runner. I could hit the ball really well, and I liked to play tennis, but it was all getting too serious for me. Iíll never forget the anxiety I would feel the night before a run. And the time, whatever it was, itís such a doable number now, but Iíd be crying and stressed about it. And they would threaten that you couldnít stay on the team. It didnít happen, so I donít know if I made the time, or they just kind of overlooked it.

When were your worst struggles with weight?

Davenport: I won the nationals at 15 [in the 18-and-under division]. My heaviest was more at 18, 19, when my parents were getting divorced. But I was never slim. I had an obese father, and we had a great childhood, but a good diet was not part of it, even though I was an athlete. I was not svelte at 15, and I was not fit at 15. If they had told me I could not play, I mean, that could have ruined my career.

There were definitely people within the USTA who didnít think I had a chance to make it. I was very fortunate that I had Lynne, who was like, ďThis girl is doing great, sheís a nice girl, why wouldnít we help her?Ē You just canít turn your back on someone when theyíre doing well and theyíre a great kid. Theyíve helped people with the worst attitudes, and that is way worse to me than someoneís body type.

Navratilova: What really pisses me off about this is, OK, weight is obvious, but what about attitude? Can we talk about other kids who they have been supporting for years whose attitude sucks and they still support them? Iím livid about it. Livid.

Is there a ďtoo earlyĒ for off-court training like a pro would do?

Navratilova: Absolutely. Absolutely. I say play other sports, because that helps you become a better athlete, and most of all it makes you happy. I didnít do core training when I was 16, I was climbing trees. I was swimming in the river, I was playing hockey, I played soccer, I road my bicycle a lot and then I played tennis. I did weight training like two weeks a year.

Davenport: I think the time is in your late teens. If you look at Martina Hingis, that great year she had in 1997, she was a twig, but it was just her tennis. Everyone has started doing things earlier, but that pressure is just exploding, and the long-term consequences of what potentially just happened I think are far worse than the benefit.

How much does fitness matter in tennis, say from your days on tour compared to now?

Davenport: It seems to have gone to where itís a bit more than in the 90s, but itís still about hitting the ball well. Itís still, in womenís tennis, about the chance to overpower someone. Certainly itís a more important component when you get older, but itís not that important when youíre 15, 16 years old. And I think that weíve seen cases, Martina [Navratilova], myself, where people get over that, and weíve seen the opposite where eating disorders occur.

[Taylor] is a baby to me. I couldnít imagine, if someone did that to one of my kids, that would be the end of it. Itís horrible to put that kind of pressure on someone. I canít imagine at 16 what my parents would have done.

What does a kid like Taylor, at her age, need most?

Davenport: I might take it the opposite way. They need love and support and good role models, and good role models arenít people who punish and donít allow things to happen. What really helped for me to lose weight was to try to have fun in the beginning, and just learning things like, you donít want to eat bread at dinner. You just need to nurture them and I think thatís how it gets better.

If the goal is developing top pros, is that too narrow, or missing the bigger picture?

Davenport: Their whole goal should be to try to develop this player into the best player they can be, and the best person and try to teach them tools to go through life, and hopefully that includes playing in Arthur Ashe Stadium. If this is the player youíre choosing to help, you think theyíre going to be good, itís up to you to make them get there, to bring out their best as a coach.

Bringing out their best isnít making them feel bad about themselves and having a horrible self-image. You get it out of them by getting them happy, by getting them excited to play, not by tearing them down.

Navratilova: It speaks of horrible ignorance.

tennisbum79 Sep 8th, 2012 02:56 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Kudos to Davey Martina for speaking up.

Patrick McEnroe is a power hungry guy.

SophiaTennis Sep 8th, 2012 02:58 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
I saw this earlier today. So glad Martina and Linssay spoke out! The USTA could've handled this much, much better, instead of trying to shame Townsend. Surely they could find a mix of tennis and fitness.

Anyway, now the USTA has agreed to pay Townsend's expenses and Patrick McEnroe says it was a miscommunication, which, of course, is a LIE.

ETA: In the movie Finding Forrester, a young black kid was a really gifted writer, but had run into problems with a teacher who didn't like him (this teacher had once been a writer, but was spectacularly unsuccessful and was bitter about it). A famous writer (who also knew this teacher) had befriended the kid, and told him:

"Just remember that bitterly disappointed teachers can be either very effective...or very dangerous."

Look at the state of the USTA and tell me whether Patrick McEnroe is effective or dangerous.

Excelscior Sep 8th, 2012 03:01 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Excellent, informative article.

They said it all.

The only "mis-communication" from Patrick/The USTA, was the original communication, which was inconsiderate, too public, misguided (even with good intentions) and insensitive.

Thanks.

Volcana Sep 8th, 2012 03:02 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Dear Patrick, these two women could beat you into wheatpaste individually. Together, this will get ugly. Your intentions may have been good, but you handling was a fuck-up. Deal with this. Preferably quietly.

MrSerenaWilliams Sep 8th, 2012 03:06 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Great!

I'm glad they said something!

Hurley Sep 8th, 2012 03:10 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Why oh why a new thread when there is a lengthy discussion about the whole situation in http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=467727?

[looks at OP]

Oh.

Sir Stefwhit Sep 8th, 2012 03:44 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
^im thankful they started a new thread or I would have missed that interesting article...informative indeed.

tonybotz Sep 8th, 2012 04:04 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
patrick mcenroe is just the worst kind of person

LoveFifteen Sep 8th, 2012 04:17 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Oh man, I've got tears in my eyes after reading Lindsay's comments. This is really horrible. Poor Taylor. :sobbing:

LindsayRulz Sep 8th, 2012 04:22 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Well said Martina & Lindsay :worship:

pov Sep 8th, 2012 04:30 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
I agree with the USTA. I tuned in to a Townsend match this week and was shocked at how overweight she is. That's not body-type it's fat! As the "body-type" excuse grows more popular the rate of obesity keeps going up. S.Williams has a body-type that isn't the long and lean one. But there have been times when she's been out-of-shape and times like now when she's toned and fit.

Davenport and Navratilova are incorrect about this. The "baby-fat" thing applied to a 16yo isn't valid.

Morrissey Sep 8th, 2012 04:33 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pov (Post 22169576)
I agree with the USTA. I tuned in to a Townsend match this week and was shocked at how overweight she is. That's not body-type it's fat! As the "body-type" excuse grows more popular the rate of obesity keeps going up. S.Williams has a body-type that isn't the long and lean one. But there have been times when she's been out-of-shape and times like now when she's toned and fit.

Davenport and Navratilova are incorrect about this. The "baby-fat" thing applied to a 16yo isn't valid.

You obviously are very insensitive and do not know a lot about teenage girls. Taylor is still growing into her body. Also Lindsay mentioned eating disorders which can be a problem for some young female athletes due to pressure.

Patrick McEnroe and the USTA are cruel and very insensitive to Taylor. Glad Lindsay and Martina blasted Patrick McEnroe and the USTA.

fawnrc Sep 8th, 2012 04:50 AM

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Thanks to the OP for starting a new thread because I had stopped going into the other thread.

Thirty All Sep 8th, 2012 06:04 AM

Re: WSJ Article: Martina & Lindsay Blast Patrick McEnroe & USTA Treatment of Taylor
 
Pathetic pig Patrick McEnroe


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