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MakarovaFan Sep 5th, 2012 07:58 PM

So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Assuming Serena gets through, we will have Vika/Maria/Serena remaining to play for the title(ok and Errani,but like really :rolleyes:). Does the winner pretty much seal the deal of player of the year??

Vika: 2 GS titles + SF in Wimby & OG+ IW+ Dubai+ 26-0 start......Vika nabbing 2 GSs and having that great streak
Maria: 2 GS titles+ 2 major Finals(AO & OG)+ Rome+ undefeated on Red Clay (16-0).....Maria making 3/4 GS Finals
Serena: 2 GS titles + Gold Medalist+ undefeated on grass(13-0)......Serena doing the Wimby-OG-USO triple

Yes i know the SEC/YEC remains but even if the winner here doesn't nab the SEC(Petra probably will anyways) it's hard to see anyone else having had a better year.......any other possible, justifible scenarios?

supergrunt Sep 5th, 2012 08:02 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Yes, and it will be Serena--by a landslide. :bounce:

miffedmax Sep 5th, 2012 08:08 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Nonsense. The Legion of Blondes is invincible. Invincible I say!*


(*And don't bring up Ekat and Andy, because by now you should know I live in an alternative universe).

ShiftyFella Sep 5th, 2012 08:09 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
if GS and Olympics counts more than the rest of the tour then there no doubt Vuvu wins it even if she don't takes the USO title

tennisbum79 Sep 5th, 2012 08:11 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
In addition to POY, were Serena to win this, she will get a solid foot in the conversation as the best ever.

I recognized many posters here do not agree with it, but tennis commentator have started to increasingly mention her name.
Some argue that it is not only the number of GS won, but also the stiffness of the competition in over the years since 1997 when she won her first GS.
Yes Martina Nav and Eteffi Graf have more GS, but did they face an ever rejunvenating competition throughout their career when ethy won GS?

Gangstress Sep 5th, 2012 08:12 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Yes and it will be Maria

tennisbum79 Sep 5th, 2012 08:12 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShiftyFella (Post 22156195)
if GS and Olympics counts more than the rest of the tour then there no doubt Vuvu wins it even if she don't takes the USO title

what?:confused:

Petronius Sep 5th, 2012 08:12 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
An interesting scenario: Azarenka/Sharapova wins US Open and Serena wins YEC

Result:

Azarenka/Sharapova has two slams
Serena has one slam, Olympic Gold and YEC

Who should be chosen as POY?

Jimmie48 Sep 5th, 2012 08:13 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Vika has simply been more impressive overall, no R1/early round slam loss either.

Excelscior Sep 5th, 2012 08:16 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Petronius (Post 22156210)
An interesting scenario: Azarenka/Sharapova wins US Open and Serena wins YEC

Result:

Azarenka/Sharapova has two slams
Serena has one slam, Olympic Gold and YEC

Who should be chosen as POY?

Your scenario would really be vice versa (if it was going to happen in any semblence).

Serena would more likely win the US Open, with one of the other two winning the YEC (if they could).

If it was going to happen, that would be the more likely sequence.

And of course, they would give POY to Serena. She would of won the two biggest majors, plus more tournaments, and been more dominant than the other two.

And of course (they feel), a dominant or winning Serena is good for the sport.

MakarovaFan Sep 5th, 2012 08:19 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Petronius (Post 22156210)
An interesting scenario: Azarenka/Sharapova wins US Open and Serena wins YEC

Result:

Azarenka/Sharapova has two slams
Serena has one slam, Olympic Gold and YEC

Who should be chosen as POY?

Well Maria would have 2 GS plus played 3/4 GS Finals in a calendar year PLUS OG Silver/RU...that beats Serena
Vika otoh, 2 GSs and that great streak of 26-0 but other than that it would come down to overall title count.....

But i thought of another Scenario............Vika/Maria lose the Final to Serena, but nab YEC:
Serena: 2 GS titles+OG VS Maria: 1 GS+ 3GS Finals+OG RU+YEC VS Azarenka: 1 GS title+ 2GS Finals+ YEC+26-0 start

ShiftyFella Sep 5th, 2012 08:32 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisbum79 (Post 22156209)
what?:confused:

Serena didn't have that good year actually. If we count only slams Vuvu advanced deeper at all of them, Rena only at Wimbi, then we add Olympics they both have 2 medals, then we add the rest of the tour and overall dominance in rankings Vuvu again comes on top, if in USO F Vika looses to Serena and they both have terrible results at YEC i don't see how Rena could edge over Vuvu

babsi Sep 5th, 2012 08:37 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmie48 (Post 22156213)
Vika has simply been more impressive overall, no R1/early round slam loss either.

Maria Final Winner R4 Semi-Final (pending)
Vika Winner R4 Semi-Final Semi Final (pending)

How is Vika more impressive?:help:

ATM, Maria just edges it with the AO final, it can all change on Friday.

LoveFifteen Sep 5th, 2012 08:40 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Whichever of the three wins the US Open will be the player of the year.

NashaMasha Sep 5th, 2012 08:42 PM

Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisbum79 (Post 22156201)
In addition to POY, were Serena to win this, she will get a solid foot in the conversation as the best ever.

I recognized many posters here do not agree with it, but tennis commentator have started to increasingly mention her name.
Some argue that it is not only the number of GS won, but also the stiffness of the competition in over the years since 1997 when she won her first GS.
Yes Martina Nav and Eteffi Graf have more GS, but did they face an ever rejunvenating competition throughout their career when ethy won GS?

I will admit that Rena is a GOAT if
1) she wins 18 GS
2) she wins her second RG
3) one or two more tour Championships are also necessary

the second point is the most complicated to accomplish for Serena , to my mind


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