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USTennisfan Aug 16th, 2012 03:27 AM

Rule Changes All About Money - TV Money
 
No one is looking at this from the NCAA's perspective.. Why the changes? Well did you watch all the televised NCAA championship events lately.. Did you see Women's Softball? College Baseball? This is becoming a BIG TIME TV MONEYMAKER.. All of this is to set up ESPNU, or NBC Sports Network, or CBS Sports Network to bid on the rights to televise NCAA Tennis.. Final 4 Big Money. You have to admit the quality will be there. When you get to a final 4 in tennis, 1 - 6 in the lineup are good solid players, just below WTA, or high Challenger level. It can be packaged and sold as such, and because it has a pro ATP and WTA level after, it can be sold as up and coming future stars.... Now lets set the format for TV.. Shorter matches.. Let's move it to bigger Venues!..Stop and think.. This is about money... Big Money..., and it makes sense... So all of you traditionalist, sorry... but that don't pay the bills... Just think about it...

2nd_serve Aug 16th, 2012 03:36 AM

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When was the last time that the NCAA singles match finals were on television? A long time ago, and there is no problem scheduling those matches. No, this is about blindness. It doesn't take long to think about that, and was there any agreement to share the pie in the sky.

2nd_serve Aug 16th, 2012 03:43 AM

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The also said straight up that there would only be 60 seconds on a changeover. No time for television commercials.

USTennisfan Aug 16th, 2012 03:51 AM

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The NCAA doesn't do anything without thinking about money.. This is to sell the rights to NCAA Tennis, and "they" believe they need to clean it up to put it in a format that is palatable for the viewer.. MONEY. Just 2 years ago, ESPN televised the selection show. ESPNU has carried the finals.. Now NBC Sports, needs programming... sports programming, and like CBS Sports, and others, the NCAA see's a potential to sell and package this to TV. All these new Sports Networks are begging to buy programming (Just ask the Big East in Football, when it goes to bid after ESPN's exclusive rights expire). So, we shall see, but I bet you'll see Tennis on TV when you get to the final 4, and I bet millions are passed around... so, again..slow down and follow the money

2nd_serve Aug 16th, 2012 04:02 AM

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I don't believe the money is there, or that TV is that desperate to televise tennis, because lots of tennis goes un-televised. But if they seriously believe the money is there, then the sharing agreement should be spelled out in contract detail, not some unstated future non-promise. Tell the top teams, if your in the final four, you're guaranteed take is, $XXXX.00 and percentage of the ...

USTennisfan Aug 16th, 2012 04:11 AM

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Any money is new money for NCAA Tennis. With advent of Big10 Network, and NBC Sports Network.. The money is there... They are now searching for programming.. If I would have asked you to tell me who is going to watch NCAA Women's Softball Prelims, and Finals... ah... just 4 years ago... You would have said what you said earlier... well guess what it scored HUGE rating this year... They made a bundle on it.. And it has no PRO entity beyound "barnstorming". Oh, and by the way, little girls all over this country now want what they saw.. being TV stars playing softball... Stop and now think about NCAA Tennis.. it's the next big sport they will "tinker" with.. So what if they didn't ask "the experts" and "traditionalists".. Don't take it personal players, but they don't care what you think. They are only thinking how can this NEW FOUND money fund someone's pockets... Remember the saying... follow the money... not the passion. It's just business, and last we saw Teams were cutting funding on non Football-Basketball sports...

2nd_serve Aug 16th, 2012 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by USTennisfan (Post 22036738)
Any money is new money for NCAA Tennis. With advent of Big10 Network, and NBC Sports Network.. The money is there... They are now searching for programming.. If I would have asked you to tell me who is going to watch NCAA Women's Softball Prelims, and Finals... ah... just 4 years ago... You would have said what you said earlier... well guess what it scored HUGE rating this year... They made a bundle on it.. And it has no PRO entity beyound "barnstorming". Oh, and by the way, little girls all over this country now want what they saw.. being TV stars playing softball... Stop and now think about NCAA Tennis.. it's the next big sport they will "tinker" with.. So what if they didn't ask "the experts" and "traditionalists".. Don't take it personal players, but they don't care what you think. They are only thinking how can this NEW FOUND money fund someone's pockets... Remember the saying... follow the money... not the passion. It's just business, and last we saw Teams were cutting funding on non Football-Basketball sports...

Yeah, there was previously no girls' softball on television, and lots of people play or have played softball. There is women and men's tennis on television. So adding a watered down version is going to attract what identifiable group.

So to answer you, I would not have said that four years ago, and they are not at all comparable.

USTennisfan Aug 16th, 2012 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 2nd_serve (Post 22036746)
Yeah, there was previously no girls' softball on television, and lots of people play or have played softball. There is women and men's tennis on television. So adding a watered down version is going to attract what identifiable group.

So to answer you, I would not have said that four years ago, and they are not at all comparable.

It's going to attract a lot of people who play tennis.. all ages and all groups... Same as all of the players in country clubs, tennis clubs, high schools, public parks.. Gee, thanks for making my point.

Even more so than those who actually "used to play" softball. More are actually still playing tennis... In case you haven't checked, recently but you don't see a 30 and under, 40 and under, 50 and under, 60 and under, 70 and under Womens' softball league... But you do in tennis... Remember follow the money...

But it's not a debate... not unless you are on the board of the NCAA. They are going to do what they want to bring in the money. That's the force driving the change. TV does that... not what you or I think. It's what they do.. I'm just laughing at everyones passion. Like they are going to listen to us.. not!

But it will be interesting as you say to see who get's what... again... follow the money.

USTennisfan Aug 16th, 2012 04:51 AM

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One other thing. Never underestimate people desire to either follow their local college, or alma mater...Especially if you now have an avenue via TV Sports Programming.. Evil Empire (Stanford) will be the new Yankees!! LOL! "Buying" all of the top US Girls... But really all kidding aside, you have to understand just how much available TV time or Programming is out there.. Networks are looking everywhere to find the next "thing".. College sports always gets people's attention.. no different than the big boys of football and basketball. And now even Women's sports, basketball, softball and anything else they can "package" to the networks.. and SELL... Not trying to instigate anyone... I just want you to understand that all of the big boy sports start somewhere... and that's how it grows.. This change is to kick start that growth. It is amazing to see colleges treat women's sports as an "after thought".. why? The Money. So if you want respect, understand that TV changes the game... Every major sport (NFL, NBA,etc has changed rules, becuase of what... TV... the money that pays the bills... That's the point.

2nd_serve Aug 16th, 2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by USTennisfan (Post 22036764)
Gee, thanks for making my point.

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Not the first time I've been told I need to improve my writing. :)

But softball was in a different place in the money world of supply and demand models. No one was supplying softball on television, so the price was unknown, and it surprised people that the price was that good. Entities have been supplying women tennis on television, so we have a pretty good idea what the market price is. And as tennis fans, we can wish that more people would want to watch tennis on television and by quantity effect lower the market price for all, the market price is relatively established.

2nd_serve Aug 16th, 2012 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by USTennisfan (Post 22036791)
One other thing. Never underestimate people desire to either follow their local college, or alma mater...Especially if you now have an avenue via TV Sports Programming.. Evil Empire (Stanford) will be the new Yankees!! LOL! "Buying" all of the top US Girls... But really all kidding aside,

Most of the "experts" think the opposite, that Stanford has years of already "buying" most of the top US girls, so nothing new there. Most traditional experts are saying that this will end college tennis as a pathway to the pros, which is a feature that has benefited Stanford and its peers.

USTennisfan Aug 16th, 2012 06:15 PM

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College tennis may prove to be a new "buy"... College allegience may spur renewed interest... The US has lost a lot of WTA Events in the last 20 years. why? Maybe college tennis on TV can halp rejuvenate interest. you never know.. I put my money on anything that promotes more TV exposure, will mean more revenue from Suppliers, manufactures, pro tournaments, etc. Again.. something is more than they get now.

But hey... you know what you can say... "any" dollars coming in are good dollars, and as far as Women's College Tennis is concerned.. Just ask the dying Men's programs. Currently the women only get what title IX gives them... But really... today I had a chance to look at the actual document, thanks to Zoo Tennis... And bingo... TV is written all over it... they also use other words, fan friendly, etc, but TV is the idea... I don't have a positive or negative opinion of what happenned... I'm just saying why it happenned.

As far as a "draconian" view of the "end of college tennis as a pathway".. please... why do traditionalist and experts use drama to make a point... People throw up hands and predict doom... oh boy.. It won't be the end of college tennis... It may be the beginning of some really exciting 3 hour matches that fit into the programming slots that networks may pay someone millions to fill... When little girls are watching Florida vs. Stanford on TV, and all of Northern Florida is following and the "water cooler talk" is about them Gators, and the camera's are swithing from court to court in rapid sequence, and they are watchng at the tennis club or with thier parents, dreaming of being there (because only so few become Venus and Serena - but all these confernces, are now giving this new exposure)and if not them, then lets' make the Golden Domers champs.. guess what.. that helps Womens' College Tennis...To the NCAA, welcome to the real world, the one where they can make money on it and expand it's marketing.

As far as a path to the pros is concerned.. that is a different debate.. and one that really hasn't been proven even today in women's tennis for 4 year players... so few follow that path and of course we have exceptions... but shorter matches, and WTT thrills not withstandinig... you can still play pro tennis in the summer and fall, and still become a pro while playing in season at your college (while getting that degree - as your fall back)... so let's not write the obit too soon on College Tennis Pro Path Death...

fantic Aug 16th, 2012 07:07 PM

Re: Rule Changes All About Money - TV Money
 
thx for the nice input, USTennisfan, providing a different perspective is always helpful.

2nd_serve Aug 17th, 2012 02:46 PM

Re: Rule Changes All About Money - TV Money
 
The US has lost a lot of WTA Events, …College tennis didn't cause that, … So are you suggesting that Nicole Gibbs has to save Serena Williams.

Don't say “any” dollar is a good dollar, … Joe Paterno is a lesson that blinding oneself to chase any $ and television is costly. Please, lets not chase bad dollars.

That networks may pay someone millions to fill … still pie in the sky without any contract saying who would get the millions. More likely road show flim-flam. So show me the money details who get the profit, and who eats it if it loses. Or better, let the NCAA escrow a performance bond, and if the ITA franchise loses millions of dollars of value because of this, turn it over.

Tennisace Aug 17th, 2012 03:27 PM

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This of course also assumes that all telecasts will be live...:haha: That won't happen, maybe just for the NCAA championships but not your conference duals. They edit the replays of the NCAA champs when they were live so why not just edit and keep things the same?


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