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Yesterday 10:24 PM
2_for_the_money
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

JJ should not be a tough opposition, although she really is on some form now. However Garbi needs to be fully concentrated all match and play clutch moments very good. But all together JJ seems to suit her very well. Many points to defend now things getting really serious. This game is the latest scheduled on this day.
Yesterday 07:57 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by SmilingKnight View Post
^ No, I agree with you that this "pushing" will lead nowhere good. I remember many matches this year where she played aggressive tennis for a set, but then reverted to defending by just pushing the ball inside the service box, over and over again. That's not proper defense. And yes, I too miss the Garbiņe of about a year ago, who was looking for every opportunity to come forward.

That said, I can understand the impulse that has generated this (probably) failed strategy. Consistency has never been one of Garbiņe's strong suits, let's not pretend otherwise. The Asian swing last year is the only exception, but it's too little in the context of her career. She has always been known as a player who can beat anybody on a good day, but who does not win many titles because she does not reliably navigate the early rounds of tournaments. The players who have this consistency are the ones who can grind out matches on their off days. I think Sumyk wanted to instill this ability in Mugu; when not at her peak, he wanted her to play more like an Azarenka, constructing points rather than going for it. At least that's my reading of it, and it's what I thought would happen when I saw them working together last year. In theory, it seemed like a good idea.

I will be curious to see what happens next. Can she complete the transformation? Will she revert to all-out attacking even at the price of flaming out of tournaments with 60+ UE matches? Will she remain stuck in the push zone? If she does change coaches, I'm afraid there are very few really good ones out there (I can only think of one, and he already has a job).
Indeed, and I know what you mean, but precisely the closest she was to playing like Azarenka was at the end of last year. I really thought there was a change in her game. She was harnessing her power and using the court more cleverly. Her positioning was so much better too, and her game looked more rounded up. I thought that they were going to build up from there this season, but instead things have taken such a weird turn. And ofc the only way she's becoming consistent now with her more defensive game is at losing early, because she's not even going deep anywhere relevant to say she's inconsistent, apart from RG. I also think that power grinding can be played at a consistently high level, unlike first strike tennis, and as some players in the past have proved, but imo she would need most of all to be a mentally stronger and more ruthless competitor to sustain that intensity at least 70% of the tournaments, also her fitness should improve, but even so Seles, Pova or Vika were never the fastest, or the fittest, and they won many ugly matches basically by toughening it out and avoiding panicking, which Garbi is hardly capable of. You can easily see in her body language how she's given up the match early in the second set. This happened with Alejo too, only now it's worse.

She plays JJ tomorrow. Whatever
Sep 25th, 2016 05:56 PM
SmilingKnight
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

^ No, I agree with you that this "pushing" will lead nowhere good. I remember many matches this year where she played aggressive tennis for a set, but then reverted to defending by just pushing the ball inside the service box, over and over again. That's not proper defense. And yes, I too miss the Garbiņe of about a year ago, who was looking for every opportunity to come forward.

That said, I can understand the impulse that has generated this (probably) failed strategy. Consistency has never been one of Garbiņe's strong suits, let's not pretend otherwise. The Asian swing last year is the only exception, but it's too little in the context of her career. She has always been known as a player who can beat anybody on a good day, but who does not win many titles because she does not reliably navigate the early rounds of tournaments. The players who have this consistency are the ones who can grind out matches on their off days. I think Sumyk wanted to instill this ability in Mugu; when not at her peak, he wanted her to play more like an Azarenka, constructing points rather than going for it. At least that's my reading of it, and it's what I thought would happen when I saw them working together last year. In theory, it seemed like a good idea.

I will be curious to see what happens next. Can she complete the transformation? Will she revert to all-out attacking even at the price of flaming out of tournaments with 60+ UE matches? Will she remain stuck in the push zone? If she does change coaches, I'm afraid there are very few really good ones out there (I can only think of one, and he already has a job).
Sep 25th, 2016 05:52 AM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

I really think Garbs had achieved a good balance between attack and defense last year. There was little need to experiment with was already working pretty well, and aggressive players are always going to have to deal with days of too many UEs. It's part of the deal, as defensive players have to face days of lame pushing; and she's never really played first strike tennis anyway, she could already rally and construct points. Her role models should be more consistent power grinders like Pova or Vika, not Woz or Svitolina, who have a speed and resilience Garbs will never ever achieve to sustain that gamestyle with some success. Mentality and fitness are the keys, not messing with the inherent nature of her game. Imo what Sam has done, nullifying her best weapon, power, and turning her into a slow motion moving shitty grinder who's lost all initiative in rallies and can't move forward anymore because she's lost all pace and intensity, is absolutely crazy, like trying to turn Aga into a BBB.

I am not that worried about the inevitable looking drop in the rankings. The tour is what it is, and most of the top 10 (except K.P, I guess) is going to be beatable for her if she gets her old game back. She still will have chances aplenty, and I don't think it will be a bad thing in the long term. Staying at the top is never something you can take for granted, and Garbi has been giving off some vibes as she was expecting this to happen and her opponents to bow down to her because she's won a slam. It could help her mature, have a more positive attitude, drop the "attitude" and assimilate future success so much better. It's clear that the age of consistent steel nerved competitors at 17, or even 15 (Seles, Arantxa, Capriati, Hinigis) is long gone.
Sep 25th, 2016 05:36 AM
SmilingKnight
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by nazzac View Post
Knowing Garbine, she will win the Ao randomly then flop the rest of 2017

But seriously, she is going to get overpowered by Errani at this rate. Pushguruza sucks, we want Garbasher back!!!

Absolutely. However, an all-out attacking game is difficult to sustain for multiple tournaments. You have to be in a really good mental place to have both the courage to go for your shots and the equanimity to execute with a relaxed hand. It seems to me that the players who have the most success in today's tennis are the ones who can complement their attacking game with good defense (or, conversely, the ones who complement excellent defense with occasionally good attacking shots). I think that's the problem Sumyk set out to solve: how do you give Garbiņe more options for when she's off her game. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked so far, and the risk is that it's taking the edge off her attacking game. The intention was a good one though. I don't think it's possible to achieve consistency without being able to play above average defense — as opposed to occasional success ā la Petra and Stan (which, of course, is nothing to sneer at either).
Sep 24th, 2016 05:50 PM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

Her quarter in Wuhan:

(5)Ka.Pliskova v BYE
Lepchenko v Safarova
Kovinic v Siegemund
Q-Cornet v (10)Cibulkova
(15)Pavlyuchenkova v Doi
Errani v Strycova
Jankovic v Gavrilova
(2)Muguruza v BYE

Ka Plis again? JFC.

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Originally Posted by nazzac View Post
Knowing Garbine, she will win the Ao randomly then flop the rest of 2017

But seriously, she is going to get overpowered by Errani at this rate. Pushguruza sucks, we want Garbasher back!!!
See the draw above. It could happen sooner than you think
Sep 24th, 2016 11:24 AM
nazzac
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

Knowing Garbine, she will win the Ao randomly then flop the rest of 2017

But seriously, she is going to get overpowered by Errani at this rate. Pushguruza sucks, we want Garbasher back!!!
Sep 24th, 2016 10:53 AM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

I'm really afraid for her ranking after RG next year. She literally has no other points to cushion this fall
I suppose Sumyk needs to go now
Sep 23rd, 2016 03:24 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
Yup, after a OCC, and didn't come back. I wonder if anything is going to come out of that.


About the match, it was more of the same, and it's all being said before. I only want to say when she lost that game point at 1-0 with a DF and a missed super easy FH sitter I knew she was done, as Svitolina was back in the fight, which was enough for her, while Garbi looked, as usual, so hopelessly lost.

Unless a miracle happens, I just hope she won't make it to the YEC, where she will be massacred by the players she was handily beating last year. After reading what she said when she lost to K.P in Cinci, bullshitting 2-3 rounds every tournament to be thoroughly exposed by the first decent player it's the worst thing that can happen to her atm, because she, and Sam even less, probably won't change a thing believing she's not doing that bad after all. I also hope there's someone around her that will help her to open her eyes and take the right decisions during the off season, so she can rebuild her old game back after all the damage done this year, which is not going to be easy or even guaranteed. Right now her current level is top 30-40, and it's not like I enjoy it seeing her play like a slow motion moving Grindniacki. And it's sad, because the tour is at one of its lowest points ever and there for the taking for someone playing with controlled aggression and a good transition game, like she was doing last year.
All of this. The girls she owned last year will be handing her bakery products at the YEC left and right. This is probably the first time I've hoped for her to lose matches and I really hope she doesn't make it there, it'll be a repeat of Genie in 2014.

Hopefully, Sam leaving after the OCC signals the end of this pathetic working relationship. If you keep on doing the same shit all year and realize that you aren't getting results, why continue? Petra is at least smart, and has changed her team so it's time for Garbi to follow suit. RG saved his ass for longer but she needs a good off season and that's not gonna happen under Sumyk's control- who is a good coach but a horrible tactical fit for her.
Sep 23rd, 2016 01:36 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2_for_the_money View Post
Yet also this bad game of today was nearly enough for a win, had she had a little better game at the net. I cant grasp how come she is sometimes pretty bad at volleying for her height. Those two segments drive me crazy when I watch her games. I guess she was mentally done when she couldnt execute couple of cheap points.

Hope she raises her level considerably for Wuhan and Beijing. She should immediately get her power back and shoot it to the fence with no regrets as she used to say. Dont know why her game is totally changing. Is Sam really trying to impose this on her on purpose or what? Is it true that he left her box during the game?
Yup, after a OCC, and didn't come back. I wonder if anything is going to come out of that.


About the match, it was more of the same, and it's all being said before. I only want to say when she lost that game point at 1-0 with a DF and a missed super easy FH sitter I knew she was done, as Svitolina was back in the fight, which was enough for her, while Garbi looked, as usual, so hopelessly lost.

Unless a miracle happens, I just hope she won't make it to the YEC, where she will be massacred by the players she was handily beating last year. After reading what she said when she lost to K.P in Cinci, bullshitting 2-3 rounds every tournament to be thoroughly exposed by the first decent player it's the worst thing that can happen to her atm, because she, and Sam even less, probably won't change a thing believing she's not doing that bad after all. I also hope there's someone around her that will help her to open her eyes and take the right decisions during the off season, so she can rebuild her old game back after all the damage done this year, which is not going to be easy or even guaranteed. Right now her current level is top 30-40, and it's not like I enjoy it seeing her play like a slow motion moving Grindniacki. And it's sad, because the tour is at one of its lowest points ever and there for the taking for someone playing with controlled aggression and a good transition game, like she was doing last year.
Sep 23rd, 2016 12:58 PM
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

Yet also this bad game of today was nearly enough for a win, had she had a little better game at the net. I cant grasp how come she is sometimes pretty bad at volleying for her height. Those two segments drive me crazy when I watch her games. I guess she was mentally done when she couldnt execute couple of cheap points.

Hope she raises her level considerably for Wuhan and Beijing. She should immediately get her power back and shoot it to the fence with no regrets as she used to say. Dont know why her game is totally changing. Is Sam really trying to impose this on her on purpose or what? Is it true that he left her box during the game?
Sep 23rd, 2016 12:13 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

It can't get any worse, can it?
The decline of her groundstrokes is truly scary to witness. No power, pace, or accuracy from the baseline anymore. She really doesn't overpower anyone these days.
Sep 22nd, 2016 12:48 PM
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

Agree with Cindy. I also watched the entire match, more or less Garbi had everything under control, except few moments when defending break balls, and when Seva managed to get break back, Garbi bounced back with a rebreak so it was more or less routine match for her.

She was couple of times exposed with Seva dropshots, but eventually managed to read them well as game progressed, serve was quite well at times, especially the 1st serve and most important concentration was high level so she couldnt lose here. Also on USO we all had a feeling she could turn the match around although she was playing quite bad and Seva was in top form back then. Svitolina looks like the next one, I am quite sure Garbi will get the job done, since she is really almost to none losing twice in a row to any player and is really inteligent and learning from defeats, and that is why I really like her bcs of that character!
Sep 22nd, 2016 11:58 AM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Steff_forever View Post
well done Garbi !!!

She just didn't panic today and therefore Sevastova's shock and awe tennis failed to get successful.
Yeah, that was the main difference today. Sevastova is certainly no scrub, but because of her kind of game, imo she's one of those players who's much better at exposing players struggling with confidence and movement than at winning matches because she's outplaying her opponents, a bit Kasatkina like.

Garbi's level was average, but she should beat Sevastova with eyes closed even playing at that level. Her loss at the USO was totally embarrassing. Still she was nervous and streaky when leading and gifted a couple of breaks back. She played some nice volleys and her approach was for once more aggressive, but she still refuses to use DTL shots, which makes her game very easy to figure out. I can as easily see her making the F if she raises her level one notch as losing next match.
Sep 22nd, 2016 11:42 AM
Steff_forever
Re: Garbiņe Muguruza

well done Garbi !!!

She just didn't panic today and therefore Sevastova's shock and awe tennis failed to get successful.
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