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Today 08:18 AM
Pierre.
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan View Post

I think some of us need to question Katie Swan's talent. She's been living off her 2015 run to the Australian Open Junior final in (in which she was soundly beaten) for far too long and she has little else to show on her CV but meaningless wins in Sharm El-Sheikh. She has a big 1st serve but the rest of her game is glitchy in the extreme. It's a real shame that the LTA have promoted her ahead of Katie Boulter. I had the pleasure to watch Boulter at Nottingham in 2014 when it was still an ITF event. Anett Kontaveit was also playing who I also took the trouble to watch because ChingChing had been insisting with tedious repetitiveness that she was a future World No. 1. Both players lost at the QF final stage but whereas Boulter looked technically smooth and silky and tremendously promising, Kontveit looked like an imbecile. Her match with Hlavackova was hysterically awful - I've never seen so many jaw-dropping misses crammed into an hour-and-a-half. The tragedy was that Katie B was sidelined for the entirety of the 2015 season with back trouble and her development was stunted. Kontaveit, meanwhile, has grown up and is becoming a player of note this season, whereas Katie B is only just regaining her lost momentum.



Awesome post. Good rep coming your way.
She insists a lot of things with tedious repetitiveness

As for Boulter, completely agree. And for Swan, I do question her talent. I feel bad doing it but she hasn't shown me enough yet. Some good wins here and there (and I know she's had some injuries), but some of the losses in 10Ks and 25K qualies have been embarrassing. Like to Lee-Waters at the start of this year (If I'm not mistaken). She could turn out to be a Tara Moore, top 200/top 150 at best, but never breaking through as much as she could.
Today 08:10 AM
Pierre.
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan View Post

After Laura got injured at the Australian Open at the start of the 2014 season - or rather when her wrist problems became so severe that she could play no longer - long-term TF fans gradually began to drop away. There was a virtual news black-out and no idea when Laura was coming back. "Play_Suspended" went on a trip to Canada and never returned. "Annie I Will Know" was gone a few months later. "Joe" changed his avatar from Sharapova to Muguruza after Pova got busted for drugs, and then vanished. "Europe Rocks" and "Nimble Kitty" never resurfaced after Password-gate last summer. "Keys is Goat (KIG)" is still around sometimes and needs to update the 1st post of the thread with Laura's latest tour title. A surprising number of fans have stayed loyal through the hard times though: Royals, Mr Sparkle, Wintermute, Lloyd4Austin, Hello Pliskie... plus Dawson, Otary and Hingis Forever have been here for ever and ever! On a downer note though, Mathilde, who's run the remarkable Laura Robson News Twitter page and dug up every little piece of info on Laura during the lean years and occasionally posted on here as "Trax" has announced her retirement.
Aww. Well I hope I can be added to that list if she can ever return to her former level, having sat through the entirety of 2016 and the second half on 2015, and losses to players ranked 1000 and Jessica Wacnik

But good to see quite a few have stuck it out. Bizarrely enough I too was thinking this when I went through the old posts, so many posters that aren't on TF anymore or don't post here now

Worst case, if KIG forgets to change the OP with Laura's new title, someone else can do it soon as we're close to the 5000 post limit, thereby meaning a new thread is needed!
Yesterday 11:44 PM
Mauriac
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan View Post
I think some of us need to question Katie Swan's talent. She's been living off her 2015 run to the Australian Open Junior final in (in which she was soundly beaten) for far too long and she has little else to show on her CV but meaningless wins in Sharm El-Sheikh. She has a big 1st serve but the rest of her game is glitchy in the extreme. It's a real shame that the LTA have promoted her ahead of Katie Boulter. I had the pleasure to watch Boulter at Nottingham in 2014 when it was still an ITF event. Anett Kontaveit was also playing who I also took the trouble to watch because ChingChing had been insisting with tedious repetitiveness that she was a future World No. 1. Both players lost at the QF final stage but whereas Boulter looked technically smooth and silky and tremendously promising, Kontveit looked like an imbecile. Her match with Hlavackova was hysterically awful - I've never seen so many jaw-dropping misses crammed into an hour-and-a-half. The tragedy was that Katie B was sidelined for the entirety of the 2015 season with back trouble and her development was stunted. Kontaveit, meanwhile, has grown up and is becoming a player of note this season, whereas Katie B is only just regaining her lost momentum.
Kontaveit was 18 in 2014 and has clearly matured as a player in the past 3 years as you might expect. Perhaps kay will do the same. She's had a fair few injuries, which I'm sure haven't helped but I agree, she needs to be starting to make some impact beyond the $10k level, which Kontaveit was certainly doing at that age.
Yesterday 11:30 PM
Carl Sagan
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Royals. View Post
You're always so eloquent in your analysis. @Carl Sagan
Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Royals. View Post
I agree, Laura has many layers to her net-game that needs to be explored. She was working on that aspect a lot with Miles Maclagan before that partnership was broken.
Miles was really good for Laura. Krajan is a clever coach - the way he transformed Cibulkova from a defensive counter-puncher to an uber-aggressive baseliner was remarkable - but in the long-term he makes all his protegés miserable. The man has no empathy. Laura has remarked that apart from tennis he had nothing - literally nothing - to say to her. With Miles, by contrast, she could joke and relax at the end of the training day. That's so important for a player - and remember, Laura was still a teenager at the time. Tennis should be fun at that age, not a chore.

Laura has an excellent forehand punch volley and she uses it very effectively in doubles. In singles, she is sometimes guilty of going for extravagant drive volleys and hitting them long. In her semi-final in Kurume she had a point on her serve at AD for a 4-1 lead in the 1st set when she took a huge swing at a ball in the air and botched it. Her game promptly collapsed and she didn't regroup till she was *3-5 and set-point down. She's by no means the only player on the WTA who's prone to do this. Jo Konta loves to crush her drive volleys: they're spectacular but she misses as many as she hits.

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Originally Posted by Pierre. View Post
Having now been in the lounge since mid 2015 (and having had a cheeky scroll back a few times to see some posts from 2012-14 ) I think this is the happiest Laura's lounge has been since 2013
After Laura got injured at the Australian Open at the start of the 2014 season - or rather when her wrist problems became so severe that she could play no longer - long-term TF fans gradually began to drop away. There was a virtual news black-out and no idea when Laura was coming back. "Play_Suspended" went on a trip to Canada and never returned. "Annie I Will Know" was gone a few months later. "Joe" changed his avatar from Sharapova to Muguruza after Pova got busted for drugs, and then vanished. "Europe Rocks" and "Nimble Kitty" never resurfaced after Password-gate last summer. "Keys is Goat (KIG)" is still around sometimes and needs to update the 1st post of the thread with Laura's latest tour title. A surprising number of fans have stayed loyal through the hard times though: Royals, Mr Sparkle, Wintermute, Lloyd4Austin, Hello Pliskie... plus Dawson, Otary and Hingis Forever have been here for ever and ever! On a downer note though, Mathilde, who's run the remarkable Laura Robson News Twitter page and dug up every little piece of info on Laura during the lean years and occasionally posted on here as "Trax" has announced her retirement.

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Originally Posted by HelloMugsie View Post
Consistency in Laura's career is something she's never had, and it's obviously helping her tennis playing so many matches. I remember when Laura kept missing easy put-aways every time she hit them.
Not entirely true. She played consistent tennis - consistent tennis at a consistently high level - throughout 2008 in both junior and pro events, and again in the 2nd half of the 2012 season (pro alone). But I agree that 2009-2011 were frustratingly erratic years with flashes of brilliance outweighed by injury setbacks and poor form.

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Originally Posted by Mauriac View Post
I think some of you need to give Katie S a break, she's only just 18 for goodness sake.
I think some of us need to question Katie Swan's talent. She's been living off her 2015 run to the Australian Open Junior final in (in which she was soundly beaten) for far too long and she has little else to show on her CV but meaningless wins in Sharm El-Sheikh. She has a big 1st serve but the rest of her game is glitchy in the extreme. It's a real shame that the LTA have promoted her ahead of Katie Boulter. I had the pleasure to watch Boulter at Nottingham in 2014 when it was still an ITF event. Anett Kontaveit was also playing who I also took the trouble to watch because ChingChing had been insisting with tedious repetitiveness that she was a future World No. 1. Both players lost at the QF final stage but whereas Boulter looked technically smooth and silky and tremendously promising, Kontveit looked like an imbecile. Her match with Hlavackova was hysterically awful - I've never seen so many jaw-dropping misses crammed into an hour-and-a-half. The tragedy was that Katie B was sidelined for the entirety of the 2015 season with back trouble and her development was stunted. Kontaveit, meanwhile, has grown up and is becoming a player of note this season, whereas Katie B is only just regaining her lost momentum.

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That push-up girl was a proper loon.
Awesome post. Good rep coming your way.
Yesterday 01:37 PM
guichard
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by otary View Post
http://www.thenorthern.co.uk/files/p...h_may_2017.pdf


Presumably it's true, though it wouldn't be the first example of wishful thinking on the part of the tournament organisers if not.

I suppose Laura has to put what's best for her singles before the partnership with Joss.
At this point I think it is wishful thinking for Robson
Yesterday 01:27 PM
Royals.
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

You're always so eloquent in your analysis. @Carl Sagan
I agree, Laura has many layers to her net-game that needs to be explored. She was working on that aspect a lot with Miles Maclagan before that partnership was broken.
Yesterday 12:43 PM
otary
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

http://www.thenorthern.co.uk/files/p...h_may_2017.pdf
Quote:
Stockport’s Naomi Broady and former junior Wimbledon champion Laura Robson are among the
tennis stars heading to Manchester from 11-18 June to compete for the Aegon Manchester
Trophy. The grass court event being held at The Northern Lawn Tennis Club in Didsbury will also
feature a host of international talent honing their game ahead of The Championships, Wimbledon.
Presumably it's true, though it wouldn't be the first example of wishful thinking on the part of the tournament organisers if not.

I suppose Laura has to put what's best for her singles before the partnership with Joss.
Yesterday 08:20 AM
Mr.Sparkle
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Carl Sagan View Post

Her QF against Imanishi - incidentally, her toughest match of the tournament. Imanishi blocked and sliced back Laura's drives relentlessly. The magic was at *2-2 30-30 in the final set. The match was perfectly poised. Laura came into the net behind a strong approach, Imanishi hit a fine cross-court passing shot and Laura lunged to pull off a perfect one-handed backhand stretch volley for a winner. Superb reactions. Surely, that point should convince her it's time to discard the wretched two-handed backhand volley that belongs to incompetent net-players like Simmons Haley and Muguruza.
I do hope Laura approaches the net more during the grass season (and uses a one handed backhand volley OFC). Well she will definitely have to use those net skills when playing with Joss but she has the power and length of shot to hit good approaches and finish the point at the net.
Yesterday 12:03 AM
Carl Sagan
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

Some postcards from Japan:

In Kurume, Laura was looking more fluid off the ground than at any time since her comeback. Taking the ball ridiculously early on the return and on the 3rd or 4th shot of a rally. She racked up a colossal number of forehand winners during the week. The serve still isn't what it was, but this is the smoothest I've seen it since her return. She was even going for the occasional big 2nd serve - something she hasn't done in years.

Favourite points:

Her opening service game against Boulter in the final: at 15-15 she promptly followed up a 2nd serve by flicking a forehand and then turned away within an instant. The crowd paused before applauding, not because they didn't appreciate the shot but because they hadn't the faintest idea where the ball had landed. When Laura's game is on song, you need exceptional anticipation/eyesight to follow the flight path of the ball, because, mentally, she is already a point ahead. As it happened, Laura had hit an off forehand winner into Boulter's forehand corner. Boulter was either standing stock still or travelling in the other direction. Even on the replay, it makes you blink. I expect Laura's opponents feel the same.

Her QF against Imanishi - incidentally, her toughest match of the tournament. Imanishi blocked and sliced back Laura's drives relentlessly. The magic was at *2-2 30-30 in the final set. The match was perfectly poised. Laura came into the net behind a strong approach, Imanishi hit a fine cross-court passing shot and Laura lunged to pull off a perfect one-handed backhand stretch volley for a winner. Superb reactions. Surely, that point should convince her it's time to discard the wretched two-handed backhand volley that belongs to incompetent net-players like Simmons Haley and Muguruza.
May 26th, 2017 08:27 AM
pesto
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

She's currently a long way down on the qualie list for the Manchester ITF.

Queens announced some WCs yesterday. I guess that it's about time to start to hear about WCs for the other grass court tournaments. There's a lot of competition for them, with Hev and Naomi slumping below the threshold for direct entry. At least Naomi doesn't need one to play her home town ITF.
May 25th, 2017 08:16 PM
guichard
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle View Post
Hmm, but she's also playing doubles in Nottingham with Joss Rae.

Maybe she will drive between the two tournaments?

Or maybe Manchester is the back up plan if she in fact does not get a WC into Nottingham singles.
Too bad we don't have Nottingham qualifying entry list
May 25th, 2017 07:02 PM
Dawson.
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
If the grass is so fking wet I could see Vekic quitting
Ahh that match led to the GOAT on court coaching comment from Felgate;

"People have been playing on grass for 150 years. Grow up." Then walked off court leaving Donna absolutely fuming
May 25th, 2017 06:21 PM
Wintermute
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sparkle View Post
Or maybe Manchester is the back up plan if she in fact does not get a WC into Nottingham singles.
Seems quite possible. The withdrawal deadline is next Tuesday so we shall see.
May 25th, 2017 06:10 PM
Mr.Sparkle
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

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Originally Posted by Wintermute View Post
Laura has entered 100K Manchester! I might actually be able to go to this.
Hmm, but she's also playing doubles in Nottingham with Joss Rae.

Maybe she will drive between the two tournaments?

Or maybe Manchester is the back up plan if she in fact does not get a WC into Nottingham singles.
May 25th, 2017 06:00 PM
Wintermute
Re: Return Winner: The Laura Robson support thread.

Laura has entered 100K Manchester! I might actually be able to go to this.
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